Hans-Dieter Flick

[RedxMAK]

Still think it's a motivation issue too. These players just won't press or be as disciplined in the second season. Also, let's be honest, our back four is mediocre compared to most top clubs. Only Kounde would be a starter on other top CL teams.

These players are insane scumbags once they win the league. I have seen this before the commitment in 23/24 was no where near half the commitment in 22/23. And also the commitment of 25/26 is not even a quarter of the commitment of 24/25. These players have a fundamental problem of being too complacent quickly and also I have to be honest this has to be a club culture problem since I saw many examples of this like the 2006-08 drought period after 2 LaLiga titles and 1 UCL as well as the post March period of the 2015-16 period where we almost lost the league. It is a historical problem that probably looks like it will never be solved.

 

[serghei]

Motivation or lack of effort doesn't explain how we outran PSG by a fair amount. It's something else. Back in the Amigos day it was motivation and effort, but the numbers verified it.

 

[Porque]

Motivation or lack of effort doesn't explain how we outran PSG by a fair amount. It's something else. Back in the Amigos day it was motivation and effort, but the numbers verified it.

You run more when your chasing the ball. I think the second half PSG had something like 64% of the possession.

So this comes down to tactical structure and systematic pressure, which I think you pointed out previously to be fair.

Take Nuno Mendes for example. I think, again you, pointed out that he "only" run 9.something km despite giving the appearance of being everywhere.

That's probably the best example of systematic pressure, positioning and acceleration/speed to be exactly where you need to do, without energy wastage.

 

[serghei]

If we want to stick with Flick (actually even if we don't), all signings in the future will need to have a big physical component irrespective of position. Fast, athletic players, able to carry physically demanding play style for full season.

 

[serghei]

You run more when your chasing the ball. I think the second half PSG had something like 64% of the possession.

So this comes down to tactical structure and systematic pressure, which I think you pointed out previously to be fair.

Take Nuno Mendes for example. I think, again you, pointed out that he "only" run 9.something kmh despite giving the appearance of being everywhere.

That's probably the best example of systematic pressure, positioning and acceleration/speed to be exactly where you need to do, without energy wastage.

Of course. But we still put in those kms. So it's not like we played with complacency.

 

[serghei]

Lucho hit the sweet spot of having his players knowing and understanding when and why you do what you do. Our players by comparison seem to run like a dog after a bone. Almost on comand, in a predefined, robotic way.

 

[RedxMAK]

Bro averages 39 league goals conceded across 3 full seasons.

2 of those seasons, with a backline tailor made for his type of football.

Some people CBs are the problem, smh. Facts don't matter.

just let the man cook and accept we will concede a shit ton of goals while he's our coach.

But when the Midfield is shit and gives us absolutely nothing, which has been the case in all of our bad performances this season, can't expect miracles.


What we really miss is prime Casado
We also can't play without both raphinha and yamal, one it's okay, two we have little chance

Yeah bro it’s not like we weren’t a defensive bastion ourselves before he joined.

LaLiga goals conceded before Flick -

2023-24 - 44 goals conceded
2022-23 - 20 goals conceded
2021-22 - 38 goals conceded
2020-21 - 38 goals conceded
2019-20 - 38 goals conceded

UCL goals conceded before Flick -
2023-24 - 14 goals conceded
2022-23 - 12 goals conceded
2021-22 - 9 goals conceded
2020-21 - 10 goals conceded
2019-20 - 14 goals conceded

LaLiga average before Flick -
35.6 goals conceded / season

UCL average before Flick -
11.8 goals conceded / season

What we conceded last season is equivalent to our average in the 5 seasons Pre-Flick in LaLiga and nearly DOUBLE the average goals conceded Pre-Flick. If we compare the attacking numbers though….

 

[RedxMAK]

Flick leaving would be a great mistake. As several members have said, he is the most suitable coach for Barça. Let’s not forget that the team is still in a restructuring phase (last year was an exception), and Flick should remain at the heart of it. It will take as long as it takes.
The best Barça in history didn’t come together in a year or two, it took time, patience, and vision.

I agree, people became less tolerant and patient. Trusting the process is a good thing as well, greatness takes time and you can’t rush it. Now we’re in a rough patch but that doesn’t mean we are finished just like it didn’t mean Barcelona was finished when we were getting obliterated by Celta 4-1 and losing to Sevilla 2-1 in early 2015-16.

 

[jamrock]

Yeah bro it’s not like we weren’t a defensive bastion ourselves before he joined.

LaLiga goals conceded before Flick -

2023-24 - 44 goals conceded
2022-23 - 20 goals conceded
2021-22 - 38 goals conceded
2020-21 - 38 goals conceded
2019-20 - 38 goals conceded

UCL goals conceded before Flick -
2023-24 - 14 goals conceded
2022-23 - 12 goals conceded
2021-22 - 9 goals conceded
2020-21 - 10 goals conceded
2019-20 - 14 goals conceded

LaLiga average before Flick -
35.6 goals conceded / season

UCL average before Flick -
11.8 goals conceded / season

What we conceded last season is equivalent to our average in the 5 seasons Pre-Flick in LaLiga and nearly DOUBLE the average goals conceded Pre-Flick. If we compare the attacking numbers though….

Yea true, which is why I keep saying just focus on him scoring goals, he and we will concede goals no matter who is in defense, unless we want to go the 22/23 route which everyone here hates.

All I ask for his that he makes adjustments when we are already in winning positions late in games.

 

[Rassvet]

Ignore this cuck. He's just salty about getting destroyed in every Football discussion by me for years.

Even Serghei or Jamrock wouldn't say that Raphinha had world class seasons before last season.

wrecked that beta again per usual

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

wrecked that beta again per usual

KL seething in 3,2,1... 🤣

 

[Barcaman]

Give us Pique, Puyol, Alves, Alba and we would kill with the high line

Masche too.

 

[Barcaman]

We do not have capable owner/president as City, PSG, Bayern nor the fraction of their resources.

Expectations need to be scaled down a bit. Not that long ago mid table La Liga finish was predicted by many.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Last season before every nt break: '2 weeks no Hansi football guys '

This season: ...

 

[jamrock]

Mid table la Liga finish was predicted by 0.

You can tell Bojan likes Putin and trump, he just says shit regardless of how obviously wrong they are, to suit his narrative.