Hans-Dieter Flick

[jamrock]

Dude the ONLY attacking sub we had was Roony and he came on

Ferran had to be taken off too, was fucking horrible

Let's say your right, he could have come in for lewa and pushed Torres to CF.

Could have come on for olmo

Etc

Not about the subs, how they were used.

 

[MagIX]

Yes, at the moment we're not in a good spell, and on top of that we've had some key injuries right now. It happens. Better now in October than later. There's time to get back on track. Full confidence in the coach.

 

[Birdy]

Listen, you have to be about more than running and pressing as a team. Every other team combines different ways of playing to allow players to perform consistently.

It is simply not feasible to be as Flick wants. Why are you so sure it is complacency.

We had a massive drop last season as well in his 1st season?

Running and pressing are preconditions of the high line.

I am sure it's complacency because there is no fatigue (no summer tounrament, season just started), and because we all saw how it can work last season when players play intensely

 

[malvolio]

The reason is shite players.

Olmo, Ferran, Lewandowski, even Trashford if he is marked. Defense had only Kounde and even he is terrible lately.

Not to mention calls in here of best midfield in the world etc.

The corpse of Inter Milan put 7 past us but we still talking about luck. PSG with kids schooled us.

 

[serghei]

He left Bayern, because board didn't meet his demands. NT was his dream job as he was long time Löw assistant.

Pressing is the one of the main characteristics of modern football, while one of the most unsustainable either.

Pep uses it, and it was always ugly when it failed, Klopp usually had his teams taking season off from it.

One team that barely implemented it and succeeded is R.Madrid.
But they are historically the kings of pragmatic fundamental football.

Flick has massive flaw in being so dependent on pressing. This is who he is, and likely why no one (including himself) is expecting him to last more than 3 seasons here.


But while the discussion about sustainability is fair, the discussion about depth is equally important.

Flick is doing it with a team that lacks any depth, with many bench players who are trash, with many kids or older players, and he has fairly overachieved. And with a clown group of defenders in a club that ideologically doesn't care about signing defenders.

In that way, I would say "unhuman pressing" is his best bet, to cover for this shit defense. You defend by attackers and midfield for the most part.

I don't want him to change a lot. It's some adjustments he needs to make. I'm not saying abandon pressing and going back to pragmatic football like 2022-23.

Adjustments can be made. High line can be addressed. I have never seen another team with such a high line like Flick.

Imo he's pushing good things to the extreme, unlike other managers.

 

[Birdy]

I don't want him to change a lot. It's some adjustments he needs to make. I'm not saying abandon pressing and going back to pragmatic football like 2022-23.

No you want him to change completely.

I have told you so many times, and you don't seem to get it.

Coaches do not change their philosophy when results go south.

Especially WC coaches that have won it all

 

[serghei]

No you want him to change completely.

I have told you so many times, and you don't seem to get it.

Coaches do not change their philosophy when results go south.

Especially WC coaches that have won it all

No, no. Not in the slightest. I want pressing to be differrent. I want to stop pressing such vast areas. Smarter. With key zones that trigger pressing and zones where we keep shape.

Flick barely shows any variation, it's like all he knows is press and high line.

 

[Windhook]

He left Bayern, because board didn't meet his demands. NT was his dream job as he was long time Löw assistant.

Pressing is the one of the main characteristics of modern football, while one of the most unsustainable either.

Pep uses it, and it was always ugly when it failed, Klopp usually had his teams taking season off from it, not just games.

One team that barely implemented it and succeeded is R.Madrid.
But they are historically the kings of pragmatic fundamental football.

Flick has massive flaw in being so dependent on pressing. This is who he is, and likely why no one (including himself) is expecting him to last more than 3 seasons here.


But while the discussion about sustainability is fair, the discussion about depth is equally important.

Flick is doing it with a team that lacks any depth, with many bench players who are trash, with many kids or older players, and he has fairly overachieved. And with a clown group of defenders in a club that ideologically doesn't care about signing defenders.

In that way, I would say "unhuman pressing" is his best bet, to cover for this shit defense. You defend by attackers and midfield for the most part.

Great post, Khaled.

 

[jamrock]

has been answered so many times.
Flick is not an NT coach, but club coach

Covid season is BS. Bayern were tearing apart every team that season in as many legs as you want

Facts are facts: it was a COVID year, where he played the worst Barca in recent times, and Lyon was on the way to the final, and PSG was every bit as good or better in the final.

It's known the world over as the asterisk year; why didn't he follow it up the year after?

Why do his teams average 39 goals conceded in the league across his two club teams?

Not being a national team coach is a cop-out; he failed.

Two times he's been in a situation where everything is equal: the WC and with Us.

In one, he failed; in the other, he succeeded. This year is the year to tell if his system really works and is just a one-off. I think it will, but the jury is out.

What we have to ask ourselves is a simple question: is Flick a genius coach like Pep, because that's what he'll need to be to make this system work, then only he plays in all of world football?

 

[Birdy]

No, no. Not in the slightest. I want pressing to be differrent. I want to stop pressing such vast areas. Smarter. With key zones that trigger pressing and zones where we keep shape.

Flick barely shows any variation, it's like all he knows is press and high line.

We played with triggers last season, we were not pressing the whole pitch and all the moments.

Problem is we went from that to no pressing or barely pressing this season

 

[serghei]

Running and pressing are preconditions of the high line.

I am sure it's complacency because there is no fatigue (no summer tounrament, season just started), and because we all saw how it can work last season when players play intensely

If they are preconditions of the high line, then high line should not happen when pressing is inefficient. But if does.

 

[serghei]

We played with triggers last season, we were not pressing the whole pitch and all the moments.

Problem is we went from that to no pressing or barely pressing this season

We do. Nobody presses like we do.

As said, I analyzed the PSG game for hours. Show me another team where the CB follows the other attacker in pressing up until near his own box. Or one fullback pressuring another fullback near his own box. Those are 80m runs. Of course you don't get back in time and the backline is in shambles.

This does not happen.

 

[Birdy]

Facts are facts: it was a COVID year, where he played the worst Barca in recent times, and Lyon was on the way to the final, and PSG was every bit as good or better in the final.

It's known the world over as the asterisk year; why didn't he follow it up the year after?

Why do his teams average 39 goals conceded in the league across his two club teams?

Not being a national team coach is a cop-out; he failed.

Two times he's been in a situation where everything is equal: the WC and with Us.

In one, he failed; in the other, he succeeded. This year is the year to tell if his system really works and is just a one-off. I think it will, but the jury is out.

What we have to ask ourselves is a simple question: is Flick a genius coach like Pep, because that's what he'll need to be to make this system work, then only he plays in all of world football?

It was a covid year for everyone genius, and Flick was destroying anyone that season in as many legs as you want.

There was no team able to stop him that season. Klopp's Liverpool would put in a fight, but most likely they lose too.

I don't get why so many try to underestimate one of the greatest teams ever won the cL (and the treble!)

Being a coach not suited to NT football is a fact, and it has been the case for many.
NT football does not involve training every day and absorbing principles of complicated tactical system.

Pep and Klopp might not work also in NT football

 

[Windhook]

No, no. Not in the slightest. I want pressing to be differrent. I want to stop pressing such vast areas. Smarter. With key zones that trigger pressing and zones where we keep shape.

Flick barely shows any variation, it's like all he knows is press and high line.

It's his philosophy and I don't agree completely with it.

We saw it against Newcastle, which is the best example. Attack and attack when you can simply waste time with frontline fouls.

We saw it again today, why settle for 3-1 when we can score? Flick is simply not pragmatic, but fanatic about being involved in scoring till the final whistle.

 

[jamrock]

It was a covid year for everyone genius, and Flick was destroying anyone that season in as many legs as you want.

There was no team able to stop him that season. Klopp's Liverpool would put in a fight, but most likely they lose too.

I don't get why so many try to underestimate one of the greatest teams ever won the cL (and the treble!)

Being a coach not suited to NT football is a fact, and it has been the case for many.
NT football does not involve training every day and absorbing principles of complicated tactical system.

Pep and Klopp might not work also in NT football

It was a covid year for everyone? Thanks for that.

Bayern wins the league and cup stunning.