Liverpool

[KingLeo10]

I don’t have the time to slap around that Scouser nut gobbler so I’m glad others are taking the time to systematically tear him apart.

Now that the trolls are once again assembled, anti-Barca Birdy is back to fishing for their likes

LMAOL

 

[Temptation]

No one is saying we did a great job at SCOUTING Isak and Wirtz. Every big club wanted them. Although Edwards did want Isak way before he was the hottest striker on the market. But Klopp signed Nunez instead of Isak. Klopp and Edwards fell out.

Just because our scouting department is the best doesn't mean we'll need it for every transfer. FSG wanted to go big this summer and get the best in class so we didn't need much scouting.

Isak is basically a Salah replacement long term.

We've always been loaded but FSG are stingy. This transfer window is essentially a rebuild.

 

[jamrock]

No one is saying we did a great job at SCOUTING Isak and Wirtz. Every big club wanted them. Although Edwards did want Isak way before he was the hottest striker on the market. But Klopp signed Nunez instead of Isak. Klopp and Edwards fell out.

Just because our scouting department is the best doesn't mean we'll need it for every transfer. FSG wanted to go big this summer and get the best in class so we didn't need much scouting.

Isak is basically a Salah replacement long term.

We've always been loaded but FSG are stingy. This transfer window is essentially a rebuild.

How it is the best? What have they won compared to other big teams over the years to justify that claim.

Just curious.

 

[JamDav1982]

No one is saying we did a great job at SCOUTING Isak and Wirtz. Every big club wanted them. Although Edwards did want Isak way before he was the hottest striker on the market. But Klopp signed Nunez instead of Isak. Klopp and Edwards fell out.

Just because our scouting department is the best doesn't mean we'll need it for every transfer. FSG wanted to go big this summer and get the best in class so we didn't need much scouting.

Isak is basically a Salah replacement long term.

We've always been loaded but FSG are stingy. This transfer window is essentially a rebuild.

It was said at time Liverpool wanted Nkunku over Nunez.

They changed that to Isak once he did well.

 

[Birdy]

WTF are you onto? Barca made 7 signings that summer in total.
Suarez, Rakitic, Bravo, MATS, Mathieue, Vermaelen and Douglas.
That was an absolutely elite transfer market. Mathieue was old and gave us only 2 very good years, but was worth 20M and low wages. Was solid addition. Vermaelen and Douglas cost us only 14M in total, and Vermaelen gave us 2 decent year as backup, bad transfer but doesn't drag the rating of the windows.

And which transfer from the 2025 Liverpool transfer market required any type of scouting? Only Leoni, the rest were already established big names that got transferred for some insane fees.

Let's take those 7.
Who was a success of them?
Suarez, Rakitic, and MATS (take that with a grain of salt).
3/7

Bravo was a short-term plug-hole solution for 2 seasons, which can hardly be qualified as a success.

The rest were trash in different ways: either below par (Matheu), done at top level (Vermaelen), or simply laughing stock (Douglas). Low wages is not an excuse. If you bring any player that is below the required level, that's the definition of a failed transfer

Liverpool do not take their good name from this summer, but from all their transfers when Edwards was there (until 2021), which features huge successes and barely any failed ones.

That's the opposite of what Barca haven been doing in all transfer windows the last more than 10 years, either under Rossel, Bartomeu or Laporta

 

[khaled_a_d]

The rest were trash in different ways: either failed bets (Halilovic, Rafina, Deulofeu), below par (Matheu), done at top level (Vermaelen), or simply laughing stock (Douglas). Low wages is also not an excuse for the last 3.

Da fuck
Halilovic is a Barca B signing, Deulofeu and Rafinha were players who returned from loans and Gerard got loaned back.
So yes, 7 signings is the accurate number.
3 great signings, 2 very good short term signings, 2 underwhelming. It is absolutely a great mercato on any objective metric.

Liverpool do not take their good name from this summer, but from all their transfers when Edwards was there (until 2021), which features huge successes and barely any failed ones.

You know, there is a saying here "truth defines men, men don't define the truth".
You do the exact opposite of it, you rate their transfer market because it is Edwards who is has done them, not based on the actual transfers.
Because, as it has been said, it will be years before we can judge those players.

 

[Birdy]

That Barca window was equal to the one Liverpool had, idk what great scouting had to do with signing Isak, wirtz, frimpong.

It's actually better until they win something.

Our 22/23 window is better than that, without any context. Now if we add a bit of context as to where we were before that point its significantly better than this liverpool.

Kounde
Christensen
Lewa
Raphinha
Kessie

Even if we include bellerin, Alonso.

All that for around 150m and our net spend was low as well, if memory serves me right.

From that we got 2 league titles, 1 CL SF.
Let's see what this season brings.

Our 22/23:
2 successful signings (Raphina, Christensen) all considered (age, wage, level on the pitch).

- Lewa: we are still NOT in 1:1 because of the wage an idiot pretending to be the president gave to this done granny. FAILED
- Kounde: below par as starting RB, on huge wages given the market. FAILED
- Kessie: no comment. merely a passenger. FAILED
- Bellerin: no comment. FAILED
- Alonso: no comment. FAILED
- Pablo Torre: could have had a better treatment under different manager. In either case, the club misused him and cannot be qualified as a successful transfer

So, 2 out 8.
Even the most positive, brainwashed, Xavi and Fatporta sheep will not give this window more than 4/8.

And you have the audacity to call this a good window, given that we wasted the lever-money on these based on the whims of an idiot pretending to be an SD and a coach at the same time?

PS: The delusion and the copium in here is at another level.
Grow up

 

[Andresito]

1) It's not 400m, its around 214m in net spent, and after 3 windows of spending close to zero

2) Yes, it's true of every signing that you can't predict the future. After 2-4 years we can say whether each one of them has succeeded/failed.

We are now discussing something different: to judge a window based on what we have seen so far about the players, what needs each addresses, and how the overall window elevates a team on paper.
Going from Nunez to Isak, and from Elliot to Wirtz is a huge upgrade for instance.

It is 400m, in this case net spend doesn't matter. It's not like they sold prime Salah for 200m. They've mostly sold players that weren't contributing much either way. So they have reinforced with 400m worth of players, all starters.

 

[JamDav1982]

Net spend obviously does matter and they had a player die.

 

[Birdy]

Da fuck
Halilovic is a Barca B signing, Deulofeu and Rafinha were players who returned from loans and Gerard got loaned back.
So yes, 7 signings is the accurate number.
3 great signings, 2 very good short term signings, 2 underwhelming. It is absolutely a great mercato on any objective metric.




You know, there is a saying here "truth defines men, men don't define the truth".
You do the exact opposite of it, you rate their transfer market because it is Edwards who is has done them, not based on the actual transfers.
Because, as it has been said, it will be years before we can judge those players.

OK, I edited, including only the 7 you mention.
Still 3/7, with the obvious caveat that Suarez was the biggest transfer: a rare combination of maybe the best striker ever during his prime with a player set his heart to play for Barca (hence no competition for his signing)

I can rate their transfers one by one, according to what we know/expect of them right now.
It's a stellar window, with acquisition of world class players (Wirtz, Isak) beating all competition for them,
and shrewd additions of top talent in positions of need (Ekitike, Kerkez, Frimpong, Leoni).

At the same time, they shipped out at great prices either players approaching their decline (Diaz), players that were below par (Nunez), and talents that seem unable to take the next step (Elliot, Quansah).

It's actually a seminar on how to conduct a squad overhaul in a transfer window.
But in order to admit that you have to have your eyes and your mind open, and cleansed from all biases.

 

[jamrock]

Our 22/23:
2 successful signings (Raphina, Christensen) all considered (age, wage, level on the pitch).

- Lewa: we are still NOT in 1:1 because of the wage an idiot pretending to be the president gave to this done granny. FAILED
- Kounde: below par as starting RB, on huge wages given the market. FAILED
- Kessie: no comment. merely a passenger. FAILED
- Bellerin: no comment. FAILED
- Alonso: no comment. FAILED
- Pablo Torre: could have had a better treatment under different manager. In either case, the club misused him and cannot be qualified as a successful transfer

So, 2 out 8.
Even the most positive, brainwashed, Xavi and Fatporta sheep will not give this window more than 4/8.

And you have the audacity to call this a good window, given that we wasted the lever-money on these based on the whims of an idiot pretending to be an SD and a coach at the same time?

PS: The delusion and the copium in here is at another level.
Grow up

I don't even know what to do with this level of fuckery, in all seriousness.

 

[Andresito]

Net spend obviously does matter and they had a player die.

That's true. But point was about the signed players this window in particular, which is claimed to be elite without nothing proven so far.

 

[JamDav1982]

That's true. But point was about the signed players this window in particular, which is claimed to be elite without nothing proven so far.

Yeah they need to prove it on park to be hailed as good as some think.

They will be losing Salah and VVS soon enough and that is what the money is for.

 

[Andresito]

Yeah they need to prove it on park to be hailed as good as some think.

They will be losing Salah and VVS soon enough and that is what the money is for.

Agree

 

[Birdy]

That's true. But point was about the signed players this window in particular, which is claimed to be elite without nothing proven so far.

Window is also defined by those managed to the sold (and at what prices).
Liverpool's great SD is also down to great sells over the years at the right prices.

This window they did it with Nunez, Diaz, Elliot, Quansah, and Kelleher,
but it is something they have been doing a lot over they years (Mane, Fabino, Henderson, Carvalho, Minamino, etc.)

Compare that to Barca, who can almost NEVER get rid of a player they want to get rid, let alone the price.