Ballon d'Or 2025

Maradona37

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There isn't even a Man Utd fan in this world that wouldn't laugh in your face if you told him that Beckham deserved a Ballon Dor.

Jesus :facepalm: Christ, :facepalm: this :facepalm: thread :facepalm:
Some of them do actually claim he deserved it. I seen it on Redcafe as recently as tonight, with them wanking over him getting a knighthood.

Incidentally, anyone (like Beckham) who begs for a knighthood or honour from the scummy Royal Family, is a cringeworthy cunt of the highest order, lol.
 

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So true about Beckham's international career too. I do think he was a top player but he was a major failure for England.

1998 - sent off, England eliminated
2000 - average at best like his team-mates as they go out in groups.
2002 - jumped out of tackle with Roberto Carlos that led to (of all people) Rivaldo's equaliser. Out they go
2004 - very poor and missed penalties both against France and in the decisive shootout with Portugal. The latter was skied.
2006 - pretty medicore again and sat bawling his eyes out after he was subbed (as captain) and realised his international career was effectively over.
2008 qualification after he came back - he passed the ball straight to Croatia from RB position. Croatia directly scored the goal that eliminated England.

You wouldn't believe how many times some moron has said to me 'how was Beckham not brilliant for England? Remember Greece?!' Yes, one game - a qualifier- in 115 caps, where he ran about leaving gaps and finally scored with his 8th freekick attempt. Fair play for that but it was a qualifier against Greece, three years before they would become European Champions (which was them playing above their level anyway). Nobody can ever name a big game he played well in an actual tournament. He's a lot like CR in fact there, with people wanking over his qualification games and ignoring poor performances at tournaments.

And aside from all the above, I haven't mentioned the destabilising effect on the England team the WAG culture he started had outside the pitch.

He was a great club player at Man United and at times for Real Madrid, but his international career is a massive disappointment. If someone isn't his fanboy and analyses it objectively.

He wasn't even a top player domestically. Beckham was one of the first new age ' Spice' boys, where the looks, lifestyle and glamour made everyone overrate his footballing ability.

He was predominately a cross/set pieces merchant and was actually their WORST midfielder by a distance, in a midfield of Keane, Scholes and Giggs.
 

Maradona37

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He wasn't even a top player domestically. Beckham was one of the first new age ' Spice' boys, where the looks, lifestyle and glamour made everyone overrate his footballing ability.

He was predominately a cross/set pieces merchant and was actually their WORST midfielder by a distance, in a midfield of Keane, Scholes and Giggs.
He did play well for United, though. I hate the cunt but being fair he performed really well from 98-01.

What I do think though is that he was finished by about 2002 or 2003. Real Madrid selling Makelele and buying him ruined them (Zidane implied as much) and he was pretty average (at best) for most of his time there, with some good moments.

He was also completely finished at Milan and PSG.

But for a three year spell at United, I remember being pretty impressed with him. You're essentially right though that - while he was a very good player - his 'looks' and celebrity leads to fanboys overrating him. They say a lot of people put him down because of not liking the celebrity around him, but I actually think it's a lot the other way about I just claimed.

I mean you have a guy above saying he was more talented than Scholes, which is just complete nonsense.

If he looked like Ribery I doubt people would rate him as a football legend. He'd also be nowhere near a knighthood for what is a very underwhelming England career and services to celebrity and PR.
 
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Temptation

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He wasn't even a top player domestically. Beckham was one of the first new age ' Spice' boys, where the looks, lifestyle and glamour made everyone overrate his footballing ability.

He was predominately a cross/set pieces merchant and was actually their WORST midfielder by a distance, in a midfield of Keane, Scholes and Giggs.
Clueless.

Scholes wasn't even voted as a top 3 United player of the season in any season at the club by the United players and the staff. Not once in 20 odd years. Not Twitter kids but people who played with him everyday. He got massively overrated after his retirement because of 2 good quotes from the likes of Zidane and Iniesta (things they have said about numerous players BTW).

Everybody at the club said Beckham and Keane were the best and most influential players in that team. Many people claimed Beckham deserved the golden ball. Even if he didn't deserve it nobody argued against him finishing second.

He's underrated because of celebrity status. Clueless folks say shit like he was just a good looking guy who was overrated.

Also being the best crosser of all time and one of the best set piece takers of all time with great defensive and offensive work rate is already one heck of a player. On top of that, there's his passing range, shooting ability and Football IQ. He could do it all except dribble really.

R9, Zizou, Carlos, etc rated him very highly and loved playing with him.
 

Maradona37

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Clueless.

Scholes wasn't even voted as a top 3 United player of the season in any season at the club by the United players and the staff. Not once in 20 odd years. Not Twitter kids but people who played with him everyday. He got massively overrated after his retirement because of 2 good quotes from the likes of Zidane and Iniesta (things they have said about numerous players BTW).

Everybody at the club said Beckham and Keane were the best and most influential players in that team. Many people claimed Beckham deserved the golden ball. Even if he didn't deserve it nobody argued against him finishing second.

He's underrated because of celebrity status. Clueless folks say shit like he was just a good looking guy who was overrated.

Also being the best crosser of all time and one of the best set piece takers of all time with great defensive and offensive work rate is already one heck of a player. On top of that, there's his passing range, shooting ability and Football IQ. He could do it all except dribble really.

R9, Zizou, Carlos, etc rated him very highly and lived playing with him.
I already rebuked most of this but I deleted it as I couldn't be bothered arguing with you.

Scholes was nowhere near as good as Xavi and Iniesta, but when he played alongside Carrick (after Keane and Beckham were gone) he was brilliant for several years.

Also, the same Zidane said great things about Scholes. You say above that quotes mean nothing when it comes to Scholes, but apparently here you are using them in defence of Beckham. Sheer hypocrisy. Obviously they are gonna talk him up, they played with him.

Did you know that those same guys asked Beckham what Scholes was like in the RM dressing room? bet you didn't. All those guys rate Scholes above Beckham.

'He's underrated because of celebrity status. Clueless folks say shit like he was just a good looking guy who was overrated.'

People aren't clueless because they disagree with you, stop being so arrogant. You can also argue it the other way - that celebrity worshippers like you have stars in their eyes when it comes to him and go overboard on the hyperbole about how good he was.

As for passing range - the amount of times I saw him try glory hollywood balls that went straight to the opposition, with both England and Real Madrid, was incredible. In fact, a big part of England's problem was your two idols Gerrard and Beckham trying constant long passes that went straight to the opponent.

I 100 percent believe you are too young to have watched Beckham in his prime. It honestly feels like you hate Scholes because of your love for Gerrard and insecurity that a lot prefer Scholes to him. And Scholes being ugly and Beckham being 'handsome'(allegedly).

In short, you need to calm down the arrogance. Just because people don't rate your man crush as highly as you doesn't make them clueless. You are 100 percent too young to have watched Beckham in his prime.
 

Maradona37

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Also, you can hardly call people clueless for thinking Beckham is overrated, when you think Scholes is overrated.

it's more clueless to slag off Scholes as a footballer than Beckham.

Ultimately nobody was even talking about Scholes. You have gone on an irrelevant rant in two posts about your love for Beckham and hatred for Scholes. It's sheer fanboyism as you always engage in. You have players you love and players you hate, and you never budge.
 

Temptation

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Look at this clown making up fake narratives again. Every pundit, analyst, manager and expert back then rated Beckham's footballing ability. This has got nothing to do with looks. Keane was very highly rated too.

The irony of crying about "celebrity worshippers" when your username is based on one of the biggest celebrities of the sport is hilarious. Zero self awareness. :lol: :lol:

Literally all of my points were about the guy's game and attributes but some people wanna bring looks into the conversation to create a strawman argument.

Imagine sneering at his crossing ability when crossing was huge in the 90s and early 2000s when 442 was the most popular formation. Judging it by today's cutback-oriented wingplay standards is retarded.
 

Temptation

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Funny how yesterday it was Rivaldo deserved the award over Beckham and he should have finished second. That's fine and I agree. Rivaldo was better.

Today, as soon as some support arrived, the conversation changed to Beckham being a complete bum who didn't even deserve to be nominated.



:lol: :lol:
 

Maradona37

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They rated Scholes too, you moron. Even if he became more rated when he was older, he was still rated in the 90s (you seem to think people thought he was Nicky Butt level in the 90s, which is bollocks and shows you are reading misleading sources and didn't live through it). So you can hardly argue 'everyone rated him' when everyone rates Scholes too.

Maradona is famous for being one of the best players ever. He isn't famous for being on the cover of GQ, or being an attention-seeking whore, like Beckham or Ronaldo. For you to not understand the distinction shows how utterly unintelligent you are. You cannot compare Maradona as a celebrity to Beckham or Ronaldo. I love Maradona as a footballer - you love Ronaldo and Beckham partly because you like their looks and 'razmatazz' (you word, not mine). That's the difference.

Nobody sneered about his crossing ability. Who fucking mentioned that you lying cunt? Everyone knows he's one of the best crossers of all time. I am talking about his long diagonals from deep you football luddite. Crosses aren't Hollywood balls. Are you stupid?

It's so funny how angry, aggressive and cuntish you become when someone calls you out or questions one of your inferior man crushes. Whether it's Lewy vs R9, Beckham vs Scholes, Mourinho vs Pep, or Ronaldo vs Messi, you always prefer the much worse one :lol:
 

Maradona37

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Overall, though, it's so so apparent that you are quite young and new to football, and your knowledge of 90s and early 2000s football comes from reading and highlights videos, rather than living through it.
 

Maradona37

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Funny how yesterday it was Rivaldo deserved the award over Beckham and he should have finished second. That's fine and I agree. Rivaldo was better.

Today, as soon as some support arrived, the conversation changed to Beckham being a complete bum who didn't even deserve to be nominated.



:lol: :lol:
Straw man argument to try to support your flimsy, losing argument.

Nobody has said he was a 'complete bum' - I said many times he was a very good player and was excellent from 98-01.

He also deserved to be nominated.

My contention is he was no better than the likes of Keane, Basler, Sheva or Effenberg that year. But yes, top 4 or 5 would be fair.

Explain to me how saying he was in the top 4 or 5 players that year calling him a bum, or saying he shouldn't be nominated. I would love to hear this...

Btw I never once said Beckham should be second. I consistently said Keane was better than him. He should be third at best.
 

Rassvet

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Nations league being considered important for the ballon d'or this year just confirms even more that the 2021 race should have been between RL9 and Benzema instead of RL9 against Messi and the media.
 

Temptation

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Objectively Real Madrid is the biggest and most successful club in the world. Yet some "neutrals" hate on Real Madrid all the time.

"Prefer the much worse one". :lol: :lol:

Zero self awareness.

Maradona, one of the most popular players of all time isn't a celebrity but Ronaldo is. As if Ronaldo isn't famous for Footballing talent and achievements. :lol:

This autistic retard talks about Ronaldo like he's a tiktok influencer who achieved nothing in the sport just because he's clearly and obsessively jealous of him. The guy with a shitload of goals and trophies is just a "celebrity" apparently. Not a Football legend. :lol:

Gotta love the mental gymnastics.
 

Maradona37

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How zero self-awareness? I am generally on the right side of history. Whereas you like more inferior players and managers, mostly because of your perception of their looks/charisma/'aura' on and off the pitch. There's a general pattern of the guys you tend to like the most. Probably because you are Indian and worship famous people.

If you cannot see the difference in off the pitch fame (for the wrong reasons) between Ronaldo and Maradona, then you're beyond help. Yes, Ronaldo is famous for his ability too, but the difference is I do not care an iota about Maradona off the pitch, whereas a huge part of why you love the rapist is his celebrity profile off the pitch. Can you not read?

Also love how because I said Ronaldo is a celebrity, you have started some sort of strawman argument where I said Ronaldo is 'JUST a celebrity' and has no football talent. I never said fucking any of that. My point is a lot of people like him for his looks/fame off the pitch and have homoerotic man crushes on him, and his considerable football ability comes second to that. You can't really deny this when creeps like you and guys on Twitter are always talking about his hair and body. You were doing it in his thread just tonight.

Why would I be jealous of Ronaldo? I like Messi as a player who's considered way better than him. I like a lot of guys who are considered far better looking than him, like Brad Pitt, or Tom Cruise, or Henry Cavill, or Theo James. Why would I be envious of an uneducated, illiterate rapist who a lot of people cannot stand? There is NOTHING to be jealous of. Outside of being good at football he has absolutely nothing going for him. Don't flatter him by claiming people are jealous of him.

Btw that girl I am talking to says I look lovely and Ronaldo does absolutely nothing for her :)
 

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