Eduardo Camavinga

[El Flaco]

[Fabrizio Romano] Man United will try to sign Eduardo Camavinga this summer as they know they’d face lot of competition next year - when Camavinga could leave Rennes as free agent. Red circle #MUFC Camavinga would be open to join Manchester United - PSG are interested too, Man Utd now pushing.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1412047468095750150

 

[mc_lovin]

It is 200m on 5 years, but 2 years of playing and 3 years of retirement.
So, at the end of the day, we are still paying 100m wages for a 34/35 and 35/36 years old Messi.
Imagine a season 2022/23 when Messi will be nearly 36 in the spring and we will be paying 100m for his services.

Your maths about 5 years is wrong.
Unless if you think that in 5 seasons from now in 2025/26 season, when Messi will be 38 at the beginning of a season and 39 at the end of a season, he will still play football and that we will be paying 40m per year for a 39 years old player.

About us having a shot at La Liga, in some other thread I posted trends where we are winning less and less points in each new season (dropping from 90+ to 80-ish lately) and scoring from 110-ish to 85 lately.
Again, unless if you think that our team will suddenly improve (why would it?), we aren't winning anything unless if both AM and RM will win 80-ish points.

You don't get the point. He does get 200ME in this hypothetical scenario, but short term it's only 40ME/year... which sounds cheap for a player like Messi. And after that, when he's not playing for us anymore (MLS or whatever), the 40ME/year will be more affordable post Corona. Then again, I don't think Tebas will allow a contract like that. But it's not like we would have 100ME/year to spend now if Messi fucks off (like you try to say).

As for having a shot at La Liga, there's no need to be miserable at the moment especially when you look at the state of the other teams. We have plenty of exciting, young talents coming up. And the two best Spanish talents in ages (which can all deteriorate rather quickly though, but that's always a given).

 

[khaled_a_d]

Then again, I don't think Tebas will allow a contract like that.

Tebas work for the clubs, not the other way around.
If we aren't breaking any rules, he doesn't have the power to not allow a contract like that.
Considering Laporta is actually a lawyer, I doubt he is planning that contract while there is anything legally that Tebas can do

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

BBZ what are the chances any of these three Camavingas pan out? Don't you always talk about 10-20%?

Doesn't sound good to me over best player in the world.

You are going Vs your own logic man

 

[BBZ8800]

BBZ what are the chances any of these three Camavingas pan out? Don't you always talk about 10-20%?

Doesn't sound good to me over best player in the world.

You are going Vs your own logic man

What's the chances of a team who lost two La ligas in a row and lost 8:2 and 5:2 in the last two CL ties to win anything, considering that Messi is even two years older than in these two seasons when we were already really bad.

So, for what exactly are we signing Messi for 100m per year in this moment?

Imo, only for:
1. not to anger the fans
2. for sponsors
3. for history and sentiments

For 200m, for Messi's two seasons, you can literally buy Haaland and Camavinga.

In a year or two, would you rather start a rebuild with Haaland and Camavinga in your team or without them and probably zero trophies.

What exactly are we doing?
Rebuilding or prolonging our dying?

 

[Rory]

What's the chances of a team who lost two La ligas in a row and lost 8:2 and 5:2 in the last two CL ties to win anything, considering that Messi is even two years older than in these two seasons when we were already really bad.

So, for what exactly are we signing Messi for 100m per year in this moment?

Imo, only for:
1. not to anger the fans
2. for sponsors
3. for history and sentiments

For 200m, for Messi's two seasons, you can literally buy Haaland and Camavinga.

In a year or two, would you rather start a rebuild with Haaland and Camavinga in your team or without them and probably zero trophies.

What exactly are we doing?
Rebuilding or prolonging our dying?

Do you not understand the financial situation or are you just purposely ignoring it to suit your argument? If Messi is not renewed we can’t go and buy Haaland + Camavinga. Please tell me you know that

 

[DonAK]

Do you not understand the financial situation or are you just purposely ignoring it to suit your argument? If Messi is not renewed we can’t go and buy Haaland + Camavinga. Please tell me you know that

He's trying to create a narrative that Messi = Very Bad

Messi = the reason we cannot sign Haaland, Camavinga and World Class players

 

[BBZ8800]

Do you not understand the financial situation or are you just purposely ignoring it to suit your argument? If Messi is not renewed we can’t go and buy Haaland + Camavinga. Please tell me you know that

I understand financial problems.

But what baffles me is: why we are even trying to re-sign Messi for 100m per year.
(and defore McLovin replies: it's 40m per year over 5 years, well with that logic we could sign Haaland today for 30m and for 150m over 5 years, right?)

If we won't make it = why did we even try when you can buy Haaland for let's say 150m?
If we will make it in the end = wtf?

It's literally, would you rather have:
1) 34 to 36 years old Messi
2) or Haaland for a few years (and getting a huge fee once when he leaves)
The money is similar for options 1 and 2.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I understand financial problems.

But what baffles me is: why we are even trying to re-sign Messi for 100m per year.
(and defore McLovin replies: it's 40m per year over 5 years, well with that logic we could sign Haaland today for 30m and for 150m over 5 years, right?)

If we won't make it = why did we even try when you can buy Haaland for let's say 150m?
If we will make it in the end = wtf?

It's literally, would you rather have:
1) 34 to 36 years old Messi
2) or Haaland for a few years (and getting a huge fee once when he leaves)
The money is similar for options 1 and 2.

Halaand will get over 40M per year himself, 75M for his club, and 40M for his agent, dad and himself as signing fee, all while demanding a payable buyout clause and pressing the club for big pay raise in 2 years.
And this while not being a big marketable player that will make sponsers excited. All for the next Drogba?
Oh, and if we goes by rumours, Halaand won't sign if Messi leaves. He won't come to have to fill the goat shoes. He is smarter than this.

 

[Laplacian]

Halaand will get over 40M per year himself, 75M for his club, and 40M for his agent, dad and himself as signing fee, all while demanding a payable buyout clause and pressing the club for big pay raise in 2 years.
And this while not being a big marketable player that will make sponsers excited. All for the next Drogba?
Oh, and if we goes by rumours, Halaand won't sign if Messi leaves. He won't come to have to fill the goat shoes. He is smarter than this.

The hate
As if Drogba scored 40 a year...

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

The hate
As if Drogba scored 40 a year...

It's a fecking disgrace.

 

[aragorn]

Halaand will get over 40M per year himself, 75M for his club, and 40M for his agent, dad and himself as signing fee, all while demanding a payable buyout clause and pressing the club for big pay raise in 2 years.
And this while not being a big marketable player that will make sponsers excited. All for the next Drogba?
Oh, and if we goes by rumours, Halaand won't sign if Messi leaves. He won't come to have to fill the goat shoes. He is smarter than this.

Even if he's just a "new Drogba" - he is worth at least 150 in the current market! You have spoken as if Drogba is a waste of space - the man was one of the best target forwards ever played

 

[khaled_a_d]

Even if he's just a "new Drogba" - he is worth at least 150 in the current market! You have spoken as if Drogba is a waste of space - the man was one of the best target forwards ever played

No, Drogba is one of EPL greatest ever strikers and I am fully aware of it since both my club and NT were playing him like once a year and watched a lot of epl back then.
And yes, Drogba atm will be worth 150M but that will be a Drogba who was loyal to his team and didn't push for extension or leaving on every opportunity like typical Raiola client.
But young Drogba isn't worth going broke for him while dealing with Railoa and losing Messi.

 

[Rory]

I understand financial problems.

But what baffles me is: why we are even trying to re-sign Messi for 100m per year.
(and defore McLovin replies: it's 40m per year over 5 years, well with that logic we could sign Haaland today for 30m and for 150m over 5 years, right?)

If we won't make it = why did we even try when you can buy Haaland for let's say 150m?
If we will make it in the end = wtf?

It's literally, would you rather have:
1) 34 to 36 years old Messi
2) or Haaland for a few years (and getting a huge fee once when he leaves)
The money is similar for options 1 and 2.

All of this is just proof you don't get the finances. Nothing wrong with that, but the arguments you're making are built on things that aren't true. If you don't want to re-sign Messi that's fine, there's an argument to be made there. That argument can't be if we don't resign him we get to buy Haaland.

 

[El Flaco]

No, Drogba is one of EPL greatest ever strikers and I am fully aware of it since both my club and NT were playing him like once a year and watched a lot of epl back then.
And yes, Drogba atm will be worth 150M but that will be a Drogba who was loyal to his team and didn't push for extension or leaving on every opportunity like typical Raiola client.
But young Drogba isn't worth going broke for him while dealing with Railoa and losing Messi.

A 20 year old Drogba was in French's 2nd division & made 0 goals in 2 apperances. Haaland is galaxies ahead of Drogba.

And I doubt Drogba would be worth 150M. He was inconsistent in his prime, scored 20+ league goals in 2 out of 8 seasons for Chelsea. Bar 09/10 (when he was 31 years of age), he was never in conversation as the best No.9 in the world. I wouldn't say Drogba was "loyal" considering he openly tried force his way out from Chelsea on numerous times (I do respect his honesty). In today's world with social media, a player would get 100x more backlash if he wants to quit on his team.