Quique Setien

[vegitot]

I admit Valverde was not the main responsible. The main responsible are Bartomeu and past it veterans running the team. You should do the same and fucking admit both Valverde and Setien are victims of a crooked club where the president is an idiot and the veterans are self entitled pricks who only care about them.

If you are pro Valverde, and anti Setien, you are a clown. Same if it's the other way around. I am no longer anti-Valverde. In situations like these the cause and effect are difficult to see and separate. But they're getting very clear now.

Bartomeu & Board - Veterans. This is the toxic partnership that is plaguing this club/team for a few years. And backed by the press who is probably hand in hand with the current board.

I repeat, 8-2.

Yet you think Setien is Cruyff's equal.

Valverde got two ligas, this clown bottles two points lead then lose 8-2. 8-2.

 

[vegitot]

Valverde is a tier 1 coach compared to Setien.

Is it also the boards fault Setien refused to make subs and set us up in a 442 with fkn Roberto and Vidal as the width?

Actual insanity

It is board and amigo fault for Setien not making subs lol. Lmao look at Bayern, they are winning but make every sub. This clown makes two subs, one when the game is done.

 

[messi2140]

Can we please move this thread to the agriculture section ?

 

[vegitot]

Setien has been sacked. Reports.

He doesnt resign???

Scolari resigned immediatly after that humiliation.

 

[serghei]

Agreed. No problem with that sentiment really. Both managers were put in positions to fail.

But within the limited framework the two coaches had to manoeuvre, I don't think it is very controversial to say Valverde did a far better job than Setien and you could even argue he did a relatively good job considering the circumstances.

Does that make me "pro-Valverde?"

No, but it makes you wrong. Setien was named at a deeper degradation state than Valverde. That's the major difference.

Look at it as a disease that is eating the host. It's perfectly normal for the patient to be worse as the disease gets deeper and deeper. No matter what doctors you go to.

 

[serghei]

Let me put it this way.

A new manager + board duo will impose a new order of things. From the top. Non-negotiable saint rules. Certain standards of fitness, training intensity, in game tactics, pressing, work-rate, closing down opponents, blocking passing channels, doing runs off the ball. The standards City, Liverpool, Bayern currently operate at. Or even lower level teams like Leipzig, Dortmund.

These things are tough to do on a week to week basis. We won't actually fire veterans per se. They will retire out of being unable to cope with the requirements of playing for a club aspiring to be the best in terms of fitness, athleticism, professionalism. They will exclude themselves, and will fall behind like the past it and the old usually do.

But if the veterans acquire the possibility and the means to influence these things, and slowly drop the standards they have to comply and thrive to get to weekly, then they could hang around for more, eating at the club and earning tens of millions. Basically becoming some sort of parasites. Until they get schooled, like the slackers and unprepared do, because the standards you go for are much lower than the standards the competitors have to reach. These things show. They always do somehow. They showed under Valverde too, Roma, Liverpool back to back humiliations are proof.

This is what happened to this club. Playing for this club in terms of professionalism, fitness, athleticism, tactical compliance with the instructions, has gotten waaaaaay to easy.

 

[vegitot]

No, but it makes you wrong. Setien was named at a deeper degradation state than Valverde. That's the major difference.

Look at it as a disease that is eating the host. It's perfectly normal for the patient to be worse as the disease gets deeper and deeper. No matter what doctors you go to.

Bottles two points lead in Liga. Daily remind that.

And 8-2 lost will haunt this club for several decades. Go down as the worst defeat in history.

 

[Messigician]

Let me put it this way.

A new manager + board duo will impose a new order of things. From the top. Non-negotiable saint rules. Certain standards of fitness, training intensity, in game tactics, pressing, work-rate, closing down opponents, blocking passing channels, doing runs off the ball. The standards City, Liverpool, Bayern currently operate at. Or even lower level teams like Leipzig, Dortmund.

These things are tough to do on a week to week basis. We won't actually fire veterans per se. They will retire out of being unable to cope with the requirements of playing for a club aspiring to be the best in terms of fitness, athleticism, professionalism. They will exclude themselves, and will fall behind like the past it and the old usually do.

But if the veterans acquire the possibility and the means to influence these things, and slowly drop the standards they have to comply and thrive to get to weekly, then they could hang around for more, eating at the club and earning tens of millions. Basically becoming some sort of parasites. Until they get schooled, like the slacker do in , because the standards you go for are much lower than the standards the competitors have to reach.

This is what happened to this club. Playing for this club in terms of professionalism, fitness, athleticism, tactical compliance with the instructions, has gotten waaaaaay to easy.

Good post, I completely agree with Serghei for once

 

[vegitot]

Let me put it this way.

A new manager + board duo will impose a new order of things. From the top. Non-negotiable saint rules. Certain standards of fitness, training intensity, in game tactics, pressing, work-rate, closing down opponents, blocking passing channels, doing runs off the ball. The standards City, Liverpool, Bayern currently operate at. Or even lower level teams like Leipzig, Dortmund.

These things are tough to do on a week to week basis. We won't actually fire veterans per se. They will retire out of being unable to cope with the requirements of playing for a club aspiring to be the best in terms of fitness, athleticism, professionalism. They will exclude themselves, and will fall behind like the past it and the old usually do.

But if the veterans acquire the possibility and the means to influence these things, and slowly drop the standards they have to comply and thrive to get to weekly, then they could hang around for more, eating at the club and earning tens of millions. Basically becoming some sort of parasites. Until they get schooled, like the slackers and unprepared do, because the standards you go for are much lower than the standards the competitors have to reach. These things show. They always do somehow. They showed under Valverde too, Roma, Liverpool back to back humiliations are proof.

This is what happened to this club. Playing for this club in terms of professionalism, fitness, athleticism, tactical compliance with the instructions, has gotten waaaaaay to easy.

Nice but do those thing make him not using his subs or make some change when things go wrong???

 

[soul24rage]

Let me put it this way.

A new manager + board duo will impose a new order of things. From the top. Non-negotiable saint rules. Certain standards of fitness, training intensity, in game tactics, pressing, work-rate, closing down opponents, blocking passing channels, doing runs off the ball. The standards City, Liverpool, Bayern currently operate at. Or even lower level teams like Leipzig, Dortmund.

These things are tough to do on a week to week basis. We won't actually fire veterans per se. They will retire out of being unable to cope with the requirements of playing for a club aspiring to be the best in terms of fitness, athleticism, professionalism. They will exclude themselves, and will fall behind like the past it and the old usually do.

But if the veterans acquire the possibility and the means to influence these things, and slowly drop the standards they have to comply and thrive to get to weekly, then they could hang around for more, eating at the club and earning tens of millions. Basically becoming some sort of parasites. Until they get schooled, like the slackers and unprepared do, because the standards you go for are much lower than the standards the competitors have to reach. These things show. They always do somehow. They showed under Valverde too, Roma, Liverpool back to back humiliations are proof.

This is what happened to this club. Playing for this club in terms of professionalism, fitness, athleticism, tactical compliance with the instructions, has gotten waaaaaay to easy.

+1

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Let me put it this way.

A new manager + board duo will impose a new order of things. From the top. Non-negotiable saint rules. Certain standards of fitness, training intensity, in game tactics, pressing, work-rate, closing down opponents, blocking passing channels, doing runs off the ball. The standards City, Liverpool, Bayern currently operate at. Or even lower level teams like Leipzig, Dortmund.

These things are tough to do on a week to week basis. We won't actually fire veterans per se. They will retire out of being unable to cope with the requirements of playing for a club aspiring to be the best in terms of fitness, athleticism, professionalism. They will exclude themselves, and will fall behind like the past it and the old usually do.

But if the veterans acquire the possibility and the means to influence these things, and slowly drop the standards they have to comply and thrive to get to weekly, then they could hang around for more, eating at the club and earning tens of millions. Basically becoming some sort of parasites. Until they get schooled, like the slackers and unprepared do, because the standards you go for are much lower than the standards the competitors have to reach. These things show. They always do somehow. They showed under Valverde too, Roma, Liverpool back to back humiliations are proof.

This is what happened to this club. Playing for this club in terms of professionalism, fitness, athleticism, tactical compliance with the instructions, has gotten waaaaaay to easy.

Great post. This is so spot on and exactly what happened with Barca. It killed the club inside.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Bottom line, nothing will change unless all the senior players are out of here. No manager will make a difference as long as they are here. Not even Klopp.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Bottom line, nothing will change unless all the senior players are out of here. No manager will make a difference as long as they are here. Not even Klopp.

Yeah, so most likely nothing big will happen. Just nee coach.

 

[Alik]

Bottom line, nothing will change unless all the senior players are out of here. No manager will make a difference as long as they are here. Not even Klopp.

I have hopes that players will be quieter. They have lost all respect. Who are they to demand things from anyone? They are the biggest joke in Europe.

 

[Daisymorr]

Our new coach needs personality to stand up to the players otherwise its irrelevant who ever gets the job. No more C class coaches.

We needed a personality like Pep our Klopp but they wont come, Poch is a good choice because he will demand certain things from our players and if they dont do it they will not play for him.