Quique Setien
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Raketa10
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That's right. It was obvious once again we basically have strength for one half but than again whose fault is that?! I would say Valverde's and his coaching stuff who brought us here in the first place. Our fitness level is like those of veteran team playing Sunday league. It's almost impossible to raise the level of fitness during the season when you have to play games week in week out. That's something you do in a preseason!
Perfect example of the lack of fitness is Semedo. That guy was half dead in the second half and he is a young player who should be ready to play two high intensity games every 3 days. If a 26y old Semedo can't run just imagine the level of fitness of our older players!
Fitness preparation is a foundations on which you build everything else. If you lack that there is not much you can do to improve you game.
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Barcilliant
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Setien will be gone by the end of the season. However the flaws will remain.
People calling for Xavi to be coach will be disappointed. Xavi needs to coach the B team first and if he's successful we can consider him. There also has to be a change in the football culture of the club. It has to embrace the physical side of modern football. Set pieces, crosses into the box, shooting from outside the area, a strong defense should all be embraced not shunned. What is the use of producing a Riqui Puig in today's game???
We don't need Barca DNA, we need successful DNA. We need a modern coach who likes to play attacking football but is pragmatic enough to understand that you need other elements to make a successful team.
People calling for Xavi to be coach will be disappointed. Xavi needs to coach the B team first and if he's successful we can consider him. There also has to be a change in the football culture of the club. It has to embrace the physical side of modern football. Set pieces, crosses into the box, shooting from outside the area, a strong defense should all be embraced not shunned. What is the use of producing a Riqui Puig in today's game???
We don't need Barca DNA, we need successful DNA. We need a modern coach who likes to play attacking football but is pragmatic enough to understand that you need other elements to make a successful team.
JohnN
Senior Member
No one can honestly say Setien has been better than EV at this point with his choices.
We have Semedo and busquets playing better but we have lost Fdj in the process. He looks lost. I get the squad is thin (blame anyone you wish for this) and Messi has not been clutch since December for whatever reason, but we are not making progress as we should be. Our stamina doesn't seem to be getting better and we play more chaotic than controlling which is costing us.
EV wouldn't do any better in the League or cl ultimately because because the team's fate was decided in the summer and the winter transfer windows.
We have Semedo and busquets playing better but we have lost Fdj in the process. He looks lost. I get the squad is thin (blame anyone you wish for this) and Messi has not been clutch since December for whatever reason, but we are not making progress as we should be. Our stamina doesn't seem to be getting better and we play more chaotic than controlling which is costing us.
EV wouldn't do any better in the League or cl ultimately because because the team's fate was decided in the summer and the winter transfer windows.
Raketa10
Senior Member
Truth be told we can't do shit right now. This season was lost during last summer when we did everything wrong once again. We also need to stop with those Asian and American tours. In preseason team needs to concentrate on preparations and fitness level and not collecting money, traveling and entertaining people. We are not Harlem globetrotters but we run and act like we are.
Messigician
Senior Member
Let's be honest we all miss Valverde right now
The Observer
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I love this.
For 2 and a half years people were CRYING for "philosophy" and "as long as we play well and true to our Barca style" and "results aren't important". Fast forward about 10 games later under philosophista coach and people want pragmatism, crosses and physicality again and Puig is a useless type of player once it slowly dawns on people that Setien isn't actually gonna turn back the clock to 2011 as they thought he would.
Though I would not worry right now. "EVERYONE can win La Liga with this Barca team. Even Tata came close." That was the narrative, right? So let's not worry and enjoy the upcoming La Liga victory parade.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I love this.
For 2 and a half years people were CRYING for "philosophy" and "as long as we play well and true to our Barca style" and "results aren't important". Fast forward about 10 games later under philosophista coach and people want pragmatism, crosses and physicality again and Puig is a useless type of player once it slowly dawns on people that Setien isn't actually gonna turn back the clock to 2011 as they thought he would.
Though I would not worry right now. "EVERYONE can win La Liga with this Barca team. Even Tata came close." That was the narrative, right? So let's not worry and enjoy the upcoming La Liga victory parade.
It is interesting to re-read some of the posts from only 50 days ago, enjoy (people were opening beers, champagnes, celebrating).
Ev was probably the most unfairly treated person in Barca's history. And only 50 days later that became clear since we have a team of clowns, washed out players and overrated youngsters, led by Barto and Abidal.
EV actually overachieved with this horrible team, yet he will be remembered forever as Retardo:
http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/15826-Retardo/page306
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People weren't saying Setien is going to be amazing. They were saying now that he's the manager let's give him a chance to see if he works. Now some time has passed people have realised maybe he's not the guy for the job either. Key word there; EITHER. Setien not being good enough does not make Valverde suddenly good enough. With Valverde we were heading for an 80 point season, hardly a league title, definitely another champions league humiliation and who knows with the copa del rey, he won one and lost one. With Setien we're probably heading for the same thing.
JohnN
Senior Member
Tough concept to grasp. But let's make it even simpler.
Even if Setien is the worst coach ever, that doesn't mean EV was any good. He was done with this team.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
This squad is done but Valverde is to blame for some issues Lack of intensity, yes man, no fitness, no proper tactics. Could go on and on. Valverde wanted a small squad and voila we have no squad depth.
Valverde had Suarez, Wague, Alena and Perez. Setien has none available.
Why does Bbz always bring fucking Shitverde into the conversation?
Valverde is the past. We need to address the future because Setien will be gone at the end of the season too.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
BTW I've always been a proponent of well rounded football. I personally think Rijkaards Barca is the standard for total football not Pep's.
The Observer
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No doubt history books will treat Valverde nicely. In hindsight, winning the league title with 37 games unbeaten run after losing Neymar and comedy signings like Paulinho (which he actually made work) and handing out several trashings to Real Madrid when they were on triple CL run form with Ronaldo upfront, will look like a monumental achievement in the history books, nevermind winning twice in a row while making it look easy.
The CL flaws (2 games) will also be judged differently. Give it a couple of round of 16 exists in the upcoming years and losing 3-4 to the best Liverpool in 30 years in the semis will not bother anyone anymore, reaching a CL semi alone will be an achievement.
I always maintained this squad is nowhere near as good. Tottenham + Messi and Suarez level, in a league that isn't as competitive as the Premier League so will never drop out of top 4 but without Messi, Barca are already at the point where Man United is at. EV did the best he could with the available players, ageing squad and all the shenanigans going on in the club and with failed transfers yet people apparently thought he was the sole culprit and anyone will do better and unleash Arthuriesta and Xavjong with tiki-taka pressing system, when simple logic suggested otherwise.
Unfortunately I don't see anything changing soon, even if Bartomeu is booted out. The club splashed half a billion on failed transfers with useless players on big paychecks. In the upcoming 2 years the club still needs replacements for Pique, Alba, Busquets, Messi, Suarez and Barca won't be the only club looking for a top striker. Lewandowski, Benzema, Agüero will also need replacing soon, possibly PSG as well once Real eventually get their hands on Mbappe. Do you trust Barca to find the right replacements before those clubs?
I expect at least a 5 year no major title spell once Messi retires. The good times are over.
You know it's reality this time when there aren't even "fin de ciclo" titled headlines anymore after a loss like yesterday.
Neymessi
Active member
People are insane if they think he isn't better than EV.
This was RM away with a shit load of injuries. Even in that he managed to bench rakitic and we should have been 3-0 up in the first half itself.
Back then EV would make us play like shit and we would win luckily 1-0 but now we play well but lose and people still cling onto results. Oh and btw don't come up with the predictable cliched argument of "I wOulD RAtHer plAy ShiT and Win ThEn PLay GoOd aNd LoSe". Those misleading wins back then were nothing more than luck and individual brilliance. And this loss has a lot of luck attached to it too.
This was RM away with a shit load of injuries. Even in that he managed to bench rakitic and we should have been 3-0 up in the first half itself.
Back then EV would make us play like shit and we would win luckily 1-0 but now we play well but lose and people still cling onto results. Oh and btw don't come up with the predictable cliched argument of "I wOulD RAtHer plAy ShiT and Win ThEn PLay GoOd aNd LoSe". Those misleading wins back then were nothing more than luck and individual brilliance. And this loss has a lot of luck attached to it too.
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