Manchester United

[Banana-Rama]

Man Utd like every other club in England largely got over those rules and they only really applied up until the age of 16 as players would be put in digs close enough by then.

While Man Utd also relocated families like they did with Johnny Evans when they moved to Manchester.

Even with the similar rules in place to England Barcelona would have still brought through Xavi, Fabregas, Pique, Puyol, Messi, Busquets, Tello, Cuenca, Valdes etc, and a lot more on top of that.

to an extent that is true but it wasn't always possible to get around the rules, the abolition of the 90 minute rule will certainly make things easier...............

 

[JamDav1982]

to an extent that is true but it wasn't always possible to get around the rules, the abolition of the 90 minute rule will certainly make things easier...............

May make it easier to an extent but most big clubs were getting by these rules anyway.

What the UK cant replicate that the likes of Spain can is the number of kids playing sports every day.

Been to Barcelona a few times and the amount of young kids out playing football, tennis etc is night and day compared to the UK.

Here the majority seem to be happier inside playing their play stations.

 

[Banana-Rama]

May make it easier to an extent but most big clubs were getting by these rules anyway.

What the UK cant replicate that the likes of Spain can is the number of kids playing sports every day.

Been to Barcelona a few times and the amount of young kids out playing football, tennis etc is night and day compared to the UK.

Here the majority seem to be happier inside playing their play stations.

the difference in weather is the main reason for that, that is why good indoor facilities are more important for a country like england............

 

[JamDav1982]

the difference in weather is the main reason for that, that is why good indoor facilities are more important for a country like england............

The weather is a factor certainly, but the weather has been more or less the same for the last hundred years and there has always been kids out playing in the past far more than now.

Also building indoor facilities will be good for training youngsters once they are associated with the club, but not to promote a generation of youngsters to be out taking part on sport again. Which is the root of the problem.

 

[MrXavi_The_Midfield_King]

Lol I live near these bunch of football pitches and apart from Sunday league football matches, no one plays there regardless of the weather, it seems people would rather pay and play on astro turf pitches for an hour rather than playing on the grass which is the ideal surface to improve ball control and also gain positional awareness

 

[Jenks]

Man Utd like every other club in England largely got over those rules and they only really applied up until the age of 16 as players would be put in digs close enough by then.

While Man Utd also relocated families like they did with Johnny Evans when they moved to Manchester.

Even with the similar rules in place to England Barcelona would have still brought through Xavi, Fabregas, Pique, Puyol, Messi, Busquets, Tello, Cuenca, Valdes etc, and a lot more on top of that.

No they wouldn't. The coaches would have had a fraction of the contact time that they did in Spain.

 

[JamDav1982]

No they wouldn't. The coaches would have had a fraction of the contact time that they did in Spain.

Thats just not true.

The players in la masia spend around 1 1/2 hours coaching a day.

 

[Jenks]

Thats just not true.

The players in la masia spend around 1 1/2 hours coaching a day.

United were only allowed to coach schoolboys 1 1/2 hours a week.

 

[JamDav1982]

United were only allowed to coach schoolboys 1 1/2 hours a week.

Can you point me in the direction where it says they were only allowed to coach them for one and a half hours a week.

As there is plenty of information out there saying that other academies trained their players more than that.

 

[Jenks]

“We are only allowed to coach [schoolboys] for an hour and a half [each week]. Barcelona can coach every hour of the day if they want and that’s the great advantage they have got. You can see their philosophy through that,” Ferguson said.

“It’s a fantastic philosophy and we hope that, in years to come, we have more time with young players, to teach them the basics, the technical ability and to have the confidence to take the ball all the time. We’re good at that, but we’re not as good as Barcelona at this moment in time. It’s a wonderful challenge and we can always accept a challenge.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...my-system-in-bid-to-close-gap-with-Barca.html

 

[JamDav1982]

“We are only allowed to coach [schoolboys] for an hour and a half [each week]. Barcelona can coach every hour of the day if they want and that’s the great advantage they have got. You can see their philosophy through that,” Ferguson said.

“It’s a fantastic philosophy and we hope that, in years to come, we have more time with young players, to teach them the basics, the technical ability and to have the confidence to take the ball all the time. We’re good at that, but we’re not as good as Barcelona at this moment in time. It’s a wonderful challenge and we can always accept a challenge.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...my-system-in-bid-to-close-gap-with-Barca.html

“We are only allowed to coach [schoolboys] for an hour and a half [each week]. Barcelona can coach every hour of the day if they want and that’s the great advantage they have got. You can see their philosophy through that,” Ferguson said.

“It’s a fantastic philosophy and we hope that, in years to come, we have more time with young players, to teach them the basics, the technical ability and to have the confidence to take the ball all the time. We’re good at that, but we’re not as good as Barcelona at this moment in time. It’s a wonderful challenge and we can always accept a challenge.”

Not sure where Fergie has got that 1 1/2 hoyrs a week from but is clearly not correct.

Liverpools youth training schedule -
Stratification of training is as follows:
- 8 to 12 years: 35 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 3
- 13 to 15 years: 35 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 4-5
- 16 to 18 years: 40 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 7-8
- 19 to 21 years: 42 weeks of competition / weekly sessions 7-8

http://www.aliverpoolthing.com/2011/07/pep-segura-explains-strategy-behind.html

 

[Jenks]

It doesn't say how long the sessions are. Even if they're an hour, it's still a long way off the contact time Barca get. Contact time has up until now been very restricted, this is well known, and one of the major shackles that has been removed in the EPPP.

 

[JamDav1982]

It doesn't say how long the sessions are. Even if they're an hour, it's still a long way off the contact time Barca get. Contact time has up until now been very restricted, this is well known, and one of the major shackles that has been removed in the EPPP.

So in reality you dont know how many hours that teams in England trained their youth players?

It is certainly far more than the hour and a half a week from the Fergie quote

 

[Jenks]

So in reality you dont know how many hours that teams in England trained their youth players?

Nor do you, clearly. I've seen the figures quoted before when the EPPP was being talked about, but I can't remember them with any certainty. I do know however that they're significantly smaller than other European nations like Spain, which the rule changes were designed to bring us in line with.

 

[silky_soccer]

Lol I live near these bunch of football pitches and apart from Sunday league football matches, no one plays there regardless of the weather, it seems people would rather pay and play on astro turf pitches for an hour rather than playing on the grass which is the ideal surface to improve ball control and also gain positional awareness

Positional awareness is a mental aspect of the game, the surface in which you play on has little to no effect on it.