Lucas Digne

JamDav1982

Senior Member
We've had plenty of opportunities to try them out. It's the exact same case as with Grimaldo. We can't say how they'd do with the first team with a sample size of zero.

We even used Masche at RB and there's nothing you can say to me that will justify that one.

Grimaldo was different in that he had ability and played at a better level than those two have. More his attitude rubbed Lucho wrong way it seems.

Him leaving does not just mean every single B team player in any position the team is short in should be given a chance. Even Pep never did that with much more talented players than Palencia or Nilli.

Nothing you will say will tell me calling up B players deemed not good enough is better than playing Masch RB.
 

God Serena

New member
Grimaldo was different in that he had ability and played at a better level than those two have. More his attitude rubbed Lucho wrong way it seems.

Him leaving does not just mean every single B team player in any position the team is short in should be given a chance. Even Pep never did that with much more talented players than Palencia or Nilli.

Nothing you will say will tell me calling up B players deemed not good enough is better than playing Masch RB.

Palencia is similar to Puyol in that his heart has taken him further than his ability. Giving him an opportunity in a dead rubber, a friendly, or a squash would not have hurt us, whether he was "Good enough" or not. And it's not as if Palencia especially is playing poorly for the B team, he's just not playing against competition good enough to make you think it means anything. We're at the point where we desperately need a RB solution and we have no answers. When you lose your keys you don't check everywhere but the bathroom because "It can't be there". When you're trying to learn a new skill you don't scoff at someone's idea to help you because "It won't work", and when you don't have any options for a position you need filled at work you don't just leave that position vacant without trying to fill it because nobody is "Good enough".

Because the keys might be in the bathroom, the idea to help might actually help you learn the skill, and that person who isn't good enough might just end up being good enough. Granted, there's a solid chance they won't work out, but trying is better than rolling over and never getting to work, never learning a new skill, or never finding an option for RB.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Think I was one of the first to compare him to Puyol on here for his heart but the ability for me is not there to make the step up.

If he was bigger and more physical could be a decent CB but is not and also doesnt have it going forward to be a Barca full back.

They have to prove they are good enough at the B team level first. You dont get thrown into first team just to find out.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Think I was one of the first to compare him to Puyol on here for his heart but the ability for me is not there to make the step up.

If he was bigger and more physical could be a decent CB but is not and also doesnt have it going forward to be a Barca full back.

They have to prove they are good enough at the B team level first. You dont get thrown into first team just to find out.

Palencia is one of the best players of that B team. The captain too.

Think Lucho could afford to give him some minutes here and there in home games against teams we beat comfortably, but when Digne barely plays, then what can you do.
 

God Serena

New member
He's Barca B's captain and is unshakeable playing for them. He's proved all he can prove playing at the level he is currently at. Defensively it's a question mark as to whether or not he'd do a better job than Roberto but considering Bob isn't a RB and would have helped us greatly in midfield it'd have been worth it to find out, especially during the long stretches that Vidal was either arbitrarily frozen out of the team, or injured. Offensively our right flank was going to be dead regardless but we could have won or drawn many of our games if we'd have just been tighter on defense.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Palencia is one of the best players of that B team. The captain too.

Think Lucho could afford to give him some minutes here and there in home games against teams we beat comfortably, but when Digne barely plays, then what can you do.

He has been decent at third level of Spanish football and is now 21. Being captain doesnt really mean anything as to the best players either.

Only way he should get any minutes is if has proved good enough to be called up.

Pep would never have done that either for a player he didnt rate highly enough.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
He's Barca B's captain and is unshakeable playing for them. He's proved all he can prove playing at the level he is currently at. Defensively it's a question mark as to whether or not he'd do a better job than Roberto but considering Bob isn't a RB and would have helped us greatly in midfield it'd have been worth it to find out, especially during the long stretches that Vidal was either arbitrarily frozen out of the team, or injured. Offensively our right flank was going to be dead regardless but we could have won or drawn many of our games if we'd have just been tighter on defense.

Being captain means nothing really as to him getting called up.

Has not proved all he can prove he has just proved to be at 21 a decent player at that level who doesnt look good enough to be a future full back at Barca.

Nowhere near Robertos level. First team level is not for just finding out how good players are.
 

God Serena

New member
Being captain means nothing really as to him getting called up.

Has not proved all he can prove he has just proved to be at 21 a decent player at that level who doesnt look good enough to be a future full back at Barca.

Nowhere near Robertos level. First team level is not for just finding out how good players are.

He's not just been decent. He's clearly too good for the third division attackers.

Whether he's at Roberto's level or not shouldn't be a factor because Roberto should be in midfield and if he was we'd be a better team because of it. What we should be comparing Palencia to is nobody, because that's what we truly have for the RB spot.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
He's not just been decent. He's clearly too good for the third division attackers.

Whether he's at Roberto's level or not shouldn't be a factor because Roberto should be in midfield and if he was we'd be a better team because of it. What we should be comparing Palencia to is nobody, because that's what we truly have for the RB spot.

No we can compare Palencia to the players available to play RB and that includes those out of position who are better than him.

He has been decent nothing spectacular at right back but solid defensively. Some of the highlights clips folk crow over he is just bang average.

Lucho can be right without giving him a chance in first team.
 

God Serena

New member
No we can compare Palencia to the players available to play RB and that includes those out of position who are better than him.

He has been decent nothing spectacular at right back but solid defensively. Some of the highlights clips folk crow over he is just bang average.

Lucho can be right without giving him a chance in first team.

Lucho is wrong in damn near everything else he does, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine he's wrong in this case, too. You're usually the one who argues against use of most B team players and tries to find a way to defend Lucho when it comes to their usage, but it's clear he's not doing right by them at all. Seeing if Palencia had the potential to help us would not have hurt us in any way. You seem to be arguing against the concept based purely on principle.

Edit: Lucho used Gumbau last season in favor of Samper, who was playing better, while Gumbau himself was mediocre even then. There's really not much to be said about it, Lucho's decisions are just wrong, the majority of the time.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Digne was pretty much the biggest victim of the switch to the 3-4-3, despite him probably being a good fit for the role. Umtiti-Pique-Masche is are starting lineup, and the minutes Digne got through out the season and his role ended up going to Alba and Mathieu at this point.

Just sucks for Digne, he's only gotten 40? Minutes worth of game time since February, and that's just ridiculous.
 

clemente

New member
I like him, you can barely go through him in defence but hes not good enough in the offense, I wish we could switch him with Grimaldo
 

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