Mitchell1978
Senior Member
He hasn't scored fewer then 19 in the second half of La Liga since 2011 (last year 21). So it will depend on how far barça goes in the CL and the Copa.
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He hasn't scored fewer then 19 in the second half of La Liga since 2011 (last year 21). So it will depend on how far barça goes in the CL and the Copa.
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I'd like to know if he was running or walking on that treadmill. Because if he was running, WTF was he training for if he is going to just walk out there with the team a man down and protecting a lead with 10 mins to go ?
Kul_z
Senior Member
For antonella.
Why do people say this? It's not the biggest problem in the team sure, but we can't have him moving the way he does against teams like Liverpool, city or whatever in the CL. It's dead obvious by now that elite teams take advantage of the holes left by Messi.
Lucky if he gets a decent chance in a game these days. He's relying on free kicks and penalties and he even passed a pen up the other week and given how powderpuff Barca are we're not going to win many penalties. Other than that he has to produce the magic himself which he often still can at home to the dross (or when he's really up for a big game) but away from home he's just crowded out the game for 99% of it. He can't do an Atleti away every week and make a goal out of nothing.
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JohnN
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I said we will do better inspite of Messi's drifting out of some games. This doesn't imply it is not a problem now that he can't produce goat games every week. It just says that other factors make us really weak and if those factors were eliminated we would do better.
So, where is our disagreement?
Valverde has never held Messi back. Other managers could utilize him better, but he still posted absurd statistics and played at an alien-like level the previous two seasons under Valverde.
Leo is simply getting older and becoming less consistent. That tends to happen to most players his age, even the greats. The top level genius is still there, but he just displays it a bit less often than he previously did.
His workrate, movement and sharpness have been abysmal in certain matches this season even for his standards. Hopefully he's more hungry come CL time.
Leo is simply getting older and becoming less consistent. That tends to happen to most players his age, even the greats. The top level genius is still there, but he just displays it a bit less often than he previously did.
His workrate, movement and sharpness have been abysmal in certain matches this season even for his standards. Hopefully he's more hungry come CL time.
Vilarrubi
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Atletico game before Granada. Let’s hope.
It's obvious he picks his games when to give an extra effort. When he gets the ball he's the same Messi, albeit a bit sloppy against Espanyol.
Without the ball he relies more and more on his teammates to find a solution to give him the pass, rather than moving himself into a good position.
It's evident how Messi's last period will look. He'll frustrate us fans more and more often because we know he can do better but he just won't be arsed to do it unless he gets help.
We've seen it all his career. He even did it with Pep. Some games he just turns off, like he decides that he won't do anything extra unless he knows it'll be a goal.
With him playing each and every game you would understand that he did this to preserve energy. But nowadays where fatigue shouldn't be an issue we still see this side of Messi, unfortunately.
Without the ball he relies more and more on his teammates to find a solution to give him the pass, rather than moving himself into a good position.
It's evident how Messi's last period will look. He'll frustrate us fans more and more often because we know he can do better but he just won't be arsed to do it unless he gets help.
We've seen it all his career. He even did it with Pep. Some games he just turns off, like he decides that he won't do anything extra unless he knows it'll be a goal.
With him playing each and every game you would understand that he did this to preserve energy. But nowadays where fatigue shouldn't be an issue we still see this side of Messi, unfortunately.
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