Barcelonista001
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Why are we having Hard time releasing, selling or loaning players?
Is it because of Bartomue contracts!!
Is it because of Bartomue contracts!!
Difficulty selling players or offload them!
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iniestaGOAT
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Cause we are selling our scrubs not our studs
serghei
Senior Member
Also because most of the players we try to sell are flops. They are not very good.
Players in their prime "sort of" that we have bough for good money recently, are Ferran Torres, Raphinha, De Jong, and Kounde.
Out of those, Ferran is a flop most likely, so he likely has no market at 50-60m. Raphinha, Kounde can be sold at least for break-even. And De Jong can be sold for around 100m imo, a slight profit in this market.
But we don't really want to sell these players.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Barca would get big money for MATS, Araujo, Balde, Pedri, FDJ and even Lamal already.
They dont want to sell any of them.
Probably get good money for Christensen, Gavi and even Fati if willing to sell/willing to go.
The issue is trying to sell players that have been and no cut it. Clubs would in a lot of cases rather spend big on up and coming player or one proven to some degree in their own league.
Real are not hot shot sellers themselves but will take an opportunity if it comes along.. they sold Casimero for type of price Barca were suppsedly offered for Rakitic etc.
They dont want to sell any of them.
Probably get good money for Christensen, Gavi and even Fati if willing to sell/willing to go.
The issue is trying to sell players that have been and no cut it. Clubs would in a lot of cases rather spend big on up and coming player or one proven to some degree in their own league.
Real are not hot shot sellers themselves but will take an opportunity if it comes along.. they sold Casimero for type of price Barca were suppsedly offered for Rakitic etc.
serghei
Senior Member
Selling young players if you don't feel they are gonna make it can be a risky, but very good approach. That's how Dortmund sold all of those "young talents" that never proved themselves after they left. Sold on hype basically at 2-3x time the price they were actually good for. Knowing when to sell it's important.
But to do that you have to be self-critical and estimate the value of the young players you have. Not assume that they are gonna become the next Iniesta, the next Messi, and hype them to the heavens.
But of course, it's also true that the big clubs don't need to sell players to have money for transfers. Their main source of money is from outside the game. Big sellers are actually B or C level clubs.
But to do that you have to be self-critical and estimate the value of the young players you have. Not assume that they are gonna become the next Iniesta, the next Messi, and hype them to the heavens.
But of course, it's also true that the big clubs don't need to sell players to have money for transfers. Their main source of money is from outside the game. Big sellers are actually B or C level clubs.
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Club actually done well with shipping youngsters. Getting 16m for Ilaix on 1 year left would be unthinkable with what he's shown after that.
Lately club usually been correct on who to ship and who to keep when it comes to players below 20. Can't think of any big loss.
Lately club usually been correct on who to ship and who to keep when it comes to players below 20. Can't think of any big loss.
Messi983
Senior Member
Tbh we always managed to keep the best homegrown players or later brought them back for relatively cheap.
Cesc is the one who had the best career outside of Barca. Wasn't really as successful here when he returned though.
Icardi is probably the next one but he wouldn't be a fit here and he's an idiot who "thinks" with his other head anyway.
Alba did ok at Valencia but probably wouldn't have anywhere near career he's had without returning. And I'd say even moreso with Pique who would be lost without having true leaders like Puyi and then Masche playing alongside him.
FC B
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Hard to understand why they wouldn't sell Ferran, Raphinha and even Kounde, all underperforming / didn't meet the expectations.
In theory Raphinha should be easy to sell. City have a slot open after sales but seems they have a policy to not sign from us. Wages arn't too high either.
Thing is he has been here just a season, and would probably not be interested to take a step down to the mid tier yet.
Kounde on the other hand might be a problem for us. His wages are way too high (13.5m gross). By comparison City just paid 100m for Gvardiol but his wages are "just" 10.4m gross. City also paid more for Ruben Dias and his wages are 9.3m gross.
So you see the problem here, we still overpaid on wages last summer when we had a bit of liquidity. And seems the same this summer judging by what Gundagan is on. I don't know who this is on, Laporta? Alemany? But hopefully things get more frugal with Deco here.
Now if we were Chelsea, or under EPL shitty as fuck imposed Salary Cap then we could just sell Ferran as at a loss, but account it as 100% transfer income in the books, then sign another fuckaroonie for double but amortize it over 8 years. LaLiga under Tebas, for better or worse, is way more stringent and limiting.
serghei
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Raphinha is hard to upgrade in the current market. You'd spend 70-80m on such a player. First you get someone that could pull up 25 G+A in a season to start, then you can sell Raphinha.
I have no problem with selling Raphinha, just like with Dembele. I only have a problem with selling these players and bringing no one instead.
Don't tell me 16 year old Lamal is gonna do all that stuff. Don't join the delusional brigade, it's overcrowded as it is.
Raphinha is the least of our problems.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
Or you think a bit more long term and sign players who you develop into world-class talents, as happened with most of the top wingers in the world, which didn't cost 70-80m.Raphinha is hard to upgrade in the current market. You'd spend 70-80m on such a player. First you get someone that could pull up 25 G+A in a season to start, then you can sell Raphinha.
I have no problem with selling Raphinha, just like with Dembele. I only have a problem with selling these players and bringing no one instead.
Don't tell me 16 year old Lamal is gonna do all that stuff. Don't join the delusional brigade, it's overcrowded as it is.
Raphinha is the least of our problems.
Instead of signing overrated 'proven' players from big clubs or English clubs and they add 30m to what you should pay.
serghei
Senior Member
Barca and the fans don't think long term lol
. Most aren't even happy with just winning big titles.Home of Barca Fans
