Arthur

[Jcar]

One last thing to say.... I really like Pjanic. I still think that Thiago or fucking Isco would be better to us, but i think he works too.

He can create and think really fast. I always liked him.

Now about Arthur, i believe he is not going to play for us anymore. But i dont think bad of him for that. Barcelona was his dream, but he is seeing all fall apart for more than football reasons. He didnt want to leave, but imagine the pressure from the board to make him leave.

His mother commenting on twitter shows to me that the club was doing more things that we dont even know about.

 

[JamDav1982]

Maybe Font will be different but all boards come in with the promise of a stop to some to the practices of past and put club first.... and almost all start trying to protect themselves and their own images once the years go by.

Be interesting to see how he sticks to his principles.

 

[Porque]

Had a think about this deal and come to the following points

1) Arthur: I forgot how well he started the season. The injury, STD allegations and subsequent fitness issues really derailed everything. I don't know if the off the field issue's were enough to force him out, but we have had players with more injury problems and lack of professionalism like Dembele- and he is still here.

2) If he really didn't want to leave then the club can't force him out, just like they could not force out Rakitic for two seasons. Best case scenario is that he would get loaned for a season with the new board and manager in 2021 deciding his future. Worse case is he isn't given a squad number like Rabiot at PSG, but I don't think we could financially enact that. So he could of tried to play it out.

If him not wanting to leave screws up our balance then that is not on Arthur but the board who squandered all of Neymar's profits on 3 players over 100m on huge wages and want to get another one this summer.

3) Financially this deal is bogus. So if Arthur did not want to sign an exit we would have players like Semedo who we could try and "sell" for 50-70m and then sign some sh*tter in return for 10m less.

4) Pjanic is a player I never wanted here even in his prime when we were linked. I think he will be solid for a season then leave us yet another financial burden. And given the turmoil of the club politics right now, he will probably perform better next season than Arthur would.

5) If this situation gives Puig his shot then who knows where that can go. The kid has a killer mentality which most of our team does not. With Pjanic next season and a returning FdJ I got no idea how he can get minutes next season even if he ends this one on fire (the hierarchical topdown wage list selection policy of this club just won't allow Puig to bench Pjanic, like Griezmann) but for now we finally get the answer of can Puig do it on a Tuesday and Friday night in LaLiga.

 

[fergus90]

Maybe Font will be different but all boards come in with the promise of a stop to some to the practices of past and put club first.... and almost all start trying to protect themselves and their own images once the years go by.

Be interesting to see how he sticks to his principles.

I think Font will try to emphasise development of players to the first team from La Masia. I don't think Rossell and then Bartomeu have ever truly believed in it. In fact Rossells feud with Laporta and hatred of Cruyff (stripping him of presidency) meant they'd try to prove success can be built with a different model. Whether Barca fans agree with whatever policy is best, I think everyone can agree that Bartomeu has been one incompetent disaster after another.

 

[khaled_a_d]

If he really didn't want to leave then the club can't force him out, just like they could not force out Rakitic for two seasons. Best case scenario is that he would get loaned for a season with the new board and manager in

Good points, but regarding him not wanting to leave: He had a solid offer, big salary, big club and big offer to Barca.
Club tried to sell Raki only in 2019, with no real offer that is good for him, zero incentive to make him even think about it.

Arthur was good when he played with more vertical movements, when he was allowed to tun close to penalty area and shoot. He is not a natural play maker and it is an area that not many players develop. But he stopped being that under Setien, which hurt him (and FDJ) since he requires midfielders to hold their ground more.

I think he stagnated here, and off field issues has hurt him, I have a lot of doubts he will ever be that world class that we cry out loud from regret.

Overall, we need to see how off-season goes. If we don't move anyone relevant, sign Lautaro and call it a day, it is a bad deal tbh. We get older with minimal improvements.
If we move out Vidal & Raki, promote Puig and maybe make another young signing in midfield; then it might be good deal

 

[Giginho75]

What does Barca earn with this deal?
Technically and economically.
This is the question.

Possible the player has a bad behavior?

 

[khaled_a_d]

What does Barca earn with this deal?
Technically and economically.
This is the question.

Possible the player has a bad behavior?

1-We balance the books, which is a financial risk for the board members themselves.
2-We get a replacement and 10M for him.
3-We get significantly older with the deal, replacing a player with someone 6 years older.

 

[DonAK]

Club tried to sell Raki only in 2019, with no real offer that is good for him, zero incentive to make him even think about it.

They supposedly had a big offer from PSG in 2018 which they could have accepted. If you believe Rakitic anyway.

That said if a club want a player out, they will push him out in 9/10 cases. I just don't know if Barca ever went to that length with him.

 

[abiabi]

What does Barca earn with this deal?
Technically and economically.
This is the question.

Possible the player has a bad behavior?

We dont earn anything - its a straight swap basically if you consider pjanic is 30 and won't be resold unless some crazy chinese team gives us charity again.

they are doing it because they fucked up the balance sheet because we are run by amateurs

 

[MTL_Barca]

What does Barca earn with this deal?
Technically and economically.
This is the question.

Pretty sure it's mainly the economical aspect, similar to the Cillessen/Neto deal last year.

There are reasons to not be 100% happy with Arthur but if it wasn't for "balancing the books" before the deadline there would be no reason at all to tie a deal like this up right now while the season is still ongoing.

 

[Messigician]

I think Font will try to emphasise development of players to the first team from La Masia. I don't think Rossell and then Bartomeu have ever truly believed in it. In fact Rossells feud with Laporta and hatred of Cruyff (stripping him of presidency) meant they'd try to prove success can be built with a different model. Whether Barca fans agree with whatever policy is best, I think everyone can agree that Bartomeu has been one incompetent disaster after another.

Just to clear up this misconception about the Cruyff thing.

On 26 March 2010, Cruyff was named honorary president of Barcelona this isn't an official title and it was a very strange move to do so, many people in democratic countries dislike honorary titles for many reasons, but overall the promotion was always a farce and concerned no power on Cruyff unlike the technical advisor role he had.

 

[fergus90]

Just to clear up this misconception about the Cruyff thing.

On 26 March 2010, Cruyff was named honorary president of Barcelona this isn't an official title and it was a very strange move to do so, many people in democratic countries dislike honorary titles for many reasons, but overall the promotion was always a farce and concerned no power on Cruyff unlike the technical advisor role he had.

No but he was given that title by Laporta as a recognition of his contribution towards the present day style that was making Barca successful again. No one was outraged he was given that title at the time, Barca were the best in Europe and looking dominant.

Rossell and Cruyff were at each others throats for the next few years after that, it was all petty and more about egos than anything else.

 

[kattanib]

1-We balance the books, which is a financial risk for the board members themselves.
2-We get a replacement and 10M for him.
3-We get significantly older with the deal, replacing a player with someone 6 years older.

4- We get a player that increases our chances of winning the champions league for 20/21 and thus potentially gain more money through brand equity growth (he will play the Xavi role of chipping the passes as Messi does today)

 

[slicknick]

4- We get a player that increases our chances of winning the champions league for 20/21 and thus potentially gain more money through brand equity growth (he will play the Xavi role of chipping the passes as Messi does today)

Pjanic = Xavi ? Now I've heard it all. Besides, the rest of Bar?a squad is nowhere near what we had between 2008 and 2015 in terms of quality

 

[kattanib]

How much is Arthur worth today? He isn?t young to price him based on potential, lets price him based on performance. Is he any better than Denis Suarez? .. I wouldn?t price Arthur above 45M. The main reason he is overrated is because some fans miss Xavi too much and have deceived themselves by saying this guy is the new Xavi, and that other younger fans do not know Xavi and thus have very very low standards. Also if it is true that Arthur parties a lot, then there is a cost that comes with him as well in negatively effecting the team?s morale and overall professionalism