Quique Setien

[Barcilliant]

Getting embarrassed in the CL is the key for me and most fans.

Lucho got a LOT OF vitriol in 16/17 when we started getting embarrassed in the CL away games (0-4 PSG, 0-3 Juve). So much so, he announced he was stepping down in March I think. And this is after he (well mostly MSN) put together the most dominant club football season ever. Good on the man, though, he had shame.

We'll get our answer on where Setien falls in the Napoli away tie. Another humiliation and it's time to bring out the pitchforks.

I won't put the entire blame on Setien then. It will be pretty clear if we suffer another embarrassment in Cl that the seniors are done and need to be sent packing asap. We can sell them for a package deal to Milan

 

[Barcilliant]

There's always the chance he might burn out the team but it's better that then having them lazing around and humiliating us fans in cl.
I'd love to see the amount of days off Dickverde gave to the players. He must have given them at least a total of two weeks ofgyor maybe more.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

What boggles my mind is that all those who have been saying we shouldn't settle for mediocrity are suddenly happy with a manager whose greatest achievement is getting sacked by Real Betis.

Ask yourselves .. would any super club ever hire a coach at his level? What we have done is equivalent to Real hiring Paco Jemez because he plays good football or Capiross because he once won a game in the camp nou. Ironically we were once genuinely linked to Jemez a few years ago under this board.

Would Juve ever hire a guy that just got sacked by Sassuolo? Setien may even do well but it will be more due to luck than anything else. It wouldn't be some amazing foresight like it was when Laporta hired Pep.

Make no mistake this appointment is all about those in power being able to exercise that power as freely as they have been doing under Valverde. Nothing more.

 

[Barcilliant]

I guess we'll see vs Granada if we can play intense football for 90 mins. This still only works if you run and move a lot.

This team cannot play intense football for 90 minutes. It's too old. Setien will need to use a few youngsters and shake up the seniors. Rakitic is dead by 70 minutes.
If Setien wants to play high intensity football De Jong, Vidal and a third fit midfielder will have to play. I just can't see how Busquets will work.

 

[serghei]

What boggles my mind is that all those who have been saying we shouldn't settle for mediocrity are suddenly happy with a manager whose greatest achievement is getting sacked by Real Betis.

Ask yourselves .. would any super club ever hire a coach at his level? What we have done is equivalent to Real hiring Paco Jemez because he plays good football or Capiross because he once won a game in the camp nou. Ironically we were once genuinely linked to Jemez a few years ago under this board.

Would Juve ever hire a guy that just got sacked by Sassuolo? Setien may even do well but it will be more due to luck than anything else. It wouldn't be some amazing foresight like it was when Laporta hired Pep.

Make no mistake this appointment is all about those in power being able to exercise that power as freely as they have been doing under Valverde. Nothing more.

Lol. Real hired Zidane with no experience whatsoever in any first division league. Also, time to change your username.

This team cannot play intense football for 90 minutes. It's too old. Setien will need to use a few youngsters and shake up the seniors. Rakitic is dead by 70 minutes.
If Setien wants to play high intensity football De Jong, Vidal and a third fit midfielder will have to play. I just can't see how Busquets will work.

Which is why this season has gotten interesting.

 

[BBZ8800]

It's funny how quickly the narrative has shifted from:

"The only reason Valverde is winning La Ligas is because of Messi and weak opposition, so it doesn't matter and ANY manager can do it. The CL is what matters."

to

"Setien cannot be expected to deliver a league title even though he took over while we are at the top of the table. Madrid look strong. Let's hope for better football and give him time. A trophyless season is okay."

And if you call this blatant hypocrisy out you are branded an EV apologist.

Another interesting thing:
Real Madrid from 2008-2017: the strongest opponent in the universe.
When EV came in 2017: those guys said: the worst Real in years.
EV is sacked, two days later: Real is very strong again, we can't expect titles.

Or, as you said, while EV was here, they said: EV is not winning titles, Messi ALONE is winning La Ligas.
Then he should be able to bring another La Liga with Setien.
If EV, as a bad coach, managed to win with Messi's magic, then a superior coach should win it without any problems, right?

Yet, in the end, the most likely scenario will be:
Lucho 2016/17=Real Madrid wins
EV 2017/18=La Liga winners
EV 2018/19=La Liga winners
Setien 2020=Real Madrid wins
While EV was here=2 La Ligas.
In a year before him and after him=no La Ligas.

Lol.
Yet, 90% of fans here were drinking champaigne when EV was sacked.

And KingLeo and co are calling some of us for mental gymnastics.
They are setting a bar so high that we won't be able to catch them with 2000 lengthy posts full of shit, lol.

 

[devo901]

....whose greatest achievement is getting sacked by Real Betis.....

If you watch some videos about Setien you will hear he moved Santander from the 2nd to the 1st league and there to 11th place.....yes he has no titles. But with Real Betis and Racing Santander, almost no trainer wins titles, so that can not be a measurement.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

Lol. Real hired Zidane with no experience whatsoever in any first division league. Also, time to change your username.



Which is why this season has gotten interesting.

Absolutely not comparable. Real have a tendency to copy Barca and hiring Zidane was their Pep moment. Like now they are desperate to sign the new ney.

Pep and Zidane are club legends who were magnificent players who demand respect from their peers. They also don't have a history of managerial mediocrity. A truer comparison to them hiring Zidane is if we had hired Xavi, which would have been a better choice as at least he would have commanded respect.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

If you watch some videos about Setien you will hear he moved Santander from the 2nd to the 1st league and there to 11th place.....yes he has no titles. But with Real Betis and Racing Santander, almost no trainer wins titles, so that can not be a measurement.

Lol bro there are a hundred managers out there that take teams up from lower leagues. David Wagner for example. Super clubs don't hire them... Schalke does. That's their normal next level. Do well at Schalke then Barca should think about it.

No one at betis expected him to win titles. But the fact is BET IS FANS FELT THE SAME WAY ABOUT THIS GUY THAT WE FELT ABOUT VALVERDE.

 

[serghei]

Another interesting thing:
Real Madrid from 2008-2017: the strongest opponent in the universe.
When EV came in 2017: those guys said: the worst Real in years.
EV is sacked, two days later: Real is very strong again, we can't expect titles.

Or, as you said, while EV was here, they said: EV is not winning titles, Messi ALONE is winning La Ligas.
Then he should be able to bring another La Liga with Setien.
If EV, as a bad coach, managed to win with Messi's magic, then a superior coach should win it without any problems, right?

Yet, in the end, the most likely scenario will be:
Lucho 2016/17=Real Madrid wins
EV 2017/18=La Liga winners
EV 2018/19=La Liga winners
Setien 2020=Real Madrid wins

Real Madrid 2015/2016 = 90 points -> great season
Real Madrid 2016/2017 = 93 points -> peak under Zidane

Real Madrid 2017/2018 = 76 points -> almost 20 points (!!!!) less than previous year. 14 (!!!!) points less than 2015/2016.
Real Madrid 2018/2019 = 68 points -> 25 (!!!!) less points than 2017, 22 (!!!!) less points than 2018.

Madrid were great in 2016-2017 domestically. And bad in 2017-2019. These are facts. So, what exactly is your point?

Madrid's decline in La Liga happened to coincide with Valverde being manager at Barcelona. What is so hard to understand? Now Madrid are improving again after 2 terrible seasons in the league. It's how it goes, high, low, high...

Madrid improved again this season, and Ernie was sacked because the board believed we were gonna win nothing this season with him. Madrid improved a lot compared to last season, and we declined slightly compared the last season. This means the race this year will be close.

 

[DonAK]

We're exactly halfway through the league. Barcelona and Real Madrid have the same amount of points.

If Barca win La Liga in the end, who will BBZ give most of the credit to

 

[serghei]

We're exactly halfway through the league. Barcelona and Real Madrid have the same amount of points.

If Barca win La Liga in the end, who will BBZ give most of the credit to

More credit should go for the manager who picked up more points. If Setien doesn't do better than Valverde we won't win the league. I think Madrid will pass 80 points.

Also, Setien is playing with the cards Valverde dealt for him.

 

[George_Costanza]

No one at betis expected him to win titles. But the fact is BET IS FANS FELT THE SAME WAY ABOUT THIS GUY THAT WE FELT ABOUT VALVERDE.

That's not true, most of us didn't want EV after the Roma game. Real Betis fans loved Setien but fall out with him in his third year when the team typically dominate possession, create many chances that couldn't convert, hence they lost so many games.

What's next? You will say Marcelo Bielsa isn't good too cuz he managed small teams and didn't win anything??

 

[BBZ8800]

A fair statement would be “I expect Setien to achieve the same amount of points Valverde got in the first half of the season”.

Even still, joining a team halfway through a season with vastly different methods to the previous manager AND with the striker who has lead our frontline for half a decade injured means maybe it will be difficult.

Setien enters a far more difficult situation to what Valverde did and it’s not a comparison.

Setien needs to fight for every title and not get poor results that’s it.

Ok, let's see who will win more points in this season, EV or Setien, fair play.

Someone asked me a few days ago:
I said that EV got a bad team since we just lost 0:4 to Psg, 0:3 to Juve, lost La Liga and lost Neymar.
People said: you think that Neymar was bad, so you can't say that EV got a weak team.

Now, let's apply the same standards here.
Probably 80% of fans hate Suarez, want him benxhed and sold.
So, if that shitty player is out, how can that be an excuse for Setien?
What is next: Raki was injured, lol?

You guys wanted Suarez out and now he is out with an injury.
You wanted Griezz as a No9, now you will have it.
You wanted a coach who follows Cruijff's style, now you have it.
For a Cruijff's style, Griezz is a better fit than Suarez.

If Setien wants a lot of movement, he has: Fati, Dembele, Griezz, Messi, Perez.
Arthut, Frenkie, Busi, Puig, Vidal.

If Setien will turn them into playing good and winning titles=he is awesome.
If he fails in playing beautiful=our players sucks.
If he fails to win La Liga with Messi, movement and knowledge=he sucks more than EV.

Quite simple.

Suddenly everything is an excuse:
1. Real got stronger suddenly
2. We lost Suarez, lol

 

[DonAK]

And KingLeo and co are calling some of us for mental gymnastics.
They are setting a bar so high that we won't be able to catch them with 2000 lengthy posts full of shit, lol.

BBZ,

Someone could do this forever, until they reach the age of Moses when he died, and even they would not be able to beat your mental gymnastics and posts full of shit, even if you retired today.

You're that good.

Your like a Superhero in that regard. Mental gymnastics are your special powers.