How about both ends of the spectrum are absolute knobheads? Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, almost unthinkable I know:
1) Valverde is shit.
2) Setien needs to go if he doesnt deliver titles (first season).
Quique Setien
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How about both ends of the spectrum are absolute knobheads? Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, almost unthinkable I know:
1) Valverde is shit.
2) Setien needs to go if he doesnt deliver titles (first season).
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
No dude, we're either going to win the treble now or not win a single game for the rest of the season without the league master Ernie!
serghei
Senior Member
How I wish Liverpool sacked Klopp after the first 6 months...
You want to compare Liverpools standards to ours? And Klopp to Setien? I would be more forgiving towards Xavi for example, but not Setien (who I like a lot). We are a title contender as well, not Liverpool when Klopp took over. Heck, even our rebuild starts next season at the earliest.
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I get what you're saying about people bringing up you talking about neymar being bad etc. I've personally been critical of Suarez in the past but have mentioned he still gets the goals. It's not so much that I want suarez gone more that he should have a strong candidate to challenge him which I'm sure you'd agree with. The issue now is that we don't have a player who's challenging for Suarez's 9 position nor do we now have suarez so we are definitely weaker. We do have Griezmann so maybe he can fill the boots in a different way.
I think you're jumping to a lot of conclusions about what people will say before they've said it. Maybe you've noticed patterns on the forum over they years and are applying that to this so fair enough but again let's wait and see. For me I'm pretty sure I've said the board, squad and manager are all problems and many others have too. It hasn't just been everything is valverde's fault. If Setien does as good as Valverde has this season with no pre season, little time with the squad (I'll concede the suarez being out point) then it's simply unfair to criticise him.
Let's forget everything about who the manager was and who it is now. You can't expect a manager that is appointed halfway through the season to instantly be successful when the norm for a successful manager is to have a full pre-season, or as you've put in the past a couple years to drill in their ideas.
For me Real aren't super strong, but they're a lot closer to being a fully functional squad than we are.
Kul_z
Senior Member
This debate is useless.
Lets talk more with things we for sure know, and less with what we dont.
1. Valverde sucked
2. It was bearable in first season, change of style, lost of neymar gave him less options and this clueless idiot board did panic buys and spend 240m on players he couldnt or he didnt want to count on in latter stages of cl, and then happened Roma.
3. He left out messi for that levante away game, that could and should made him immortal barca coach. I dont know what kind of a 'it is what it is' mindset you got to have to spare your best player with two(2!) games left to go unbeaten in la liga season. Every other sane coach wouldnt leave any room for surprises and would go out for blood to achieve that, its a no brainer. But, well, it is what it is.
4. I still cant believe that he slept on that, he really did.
5. Whole 2018/19 season had a shadow of the previous one and it was dejavu all over the place because we already knew that meltdown would come. And it did come, in strong fashion.
6. His rotational policy was awful. His subs were awful.
7. Rondos with no intensity at training, free days for everyone, some extra ones for seniors.
8. His time at the bench - zero passion, no fighting spirit, nothing. He didnt even yell on the linesman referee for whatever reason. He didnt raised the voice on any player, for whatever reason. ZERO.
Now, Setien.
1. First training he already raised his voice on players, even cursing.
2. More training, more intensity. Is it good? Time will tell. But no free days for vacation fc is something im looking forward to.
3. He accepted the 6 month role, and depending on the results he would continue. This guy really wants to be in charge of barca.
And thats it for now. That are FACTS. We can shit or praise setien after we see how things would develop.
Lets talk more with things we for sure know, and less with what we dont.
1. Valverde sucked
2. It was bearable in first season, change of style, lost of neymar gave him less options and this clueless idiot board did panic buys and spend 240m on players he couldnt or he didnt want to count on in latter stages of cl, and then happened Roma.
3. He left out messi for that levante away game, that could and should made him immortal barca coach. I dont know what kind of a 'it is what it is' mindset you got to have to spare your best player with two(2!) games left to go unbeaten in la liga season. Every other sane coach wouldnt leave any room for surprises and would go out for blood to achieve that, its a no brainer. But, well, it is what it is.
4. I still cant believe that he slept on that, he really did.
5. Whole 2018/19 season had a shadow of the previous one and it was dejavu all over the place because we already knew that meltdown would come. And it did come, in strong fashion.
6. His rotational policy was awful. His subs were awful.
7. Rondos with no intensity at training, free days for everyone, some extra ones for seniors.
8. His time at the bench - zero passion, no fighting spirit, nothing. He didnt even yell on the linesman referee for whatever reason. He didnt raised the voice on any player, for whatever reason. ZERO.
Now, Setien.
1. First training he already raised his voice on players, even cursing.
2. More training, more intensity. Is it good? Time will tell. But no free days for vacation fc is something im looking forward to.
3. He accepted the 6 month role, and depending on the results he would continue. This guy really wants to be in charge of barca.
And thats it for now. That are FACTS. We can shit or praise setien after we see how things would develop.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
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This seems a bit much...
😂
We went from one extreme to another. Damn, the players probably want him out already. They must be pining for Dickverde.
serghei
Senior Member
Raketa10
Senior Member
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This seems a bit much...
The terror begins!
Imagine how much is "club de amigos" pissed off right now.
malvolio
Senior Member
actually what big team has offered bielsa a job?? i really liked his style(mainly watched the bilbao days of him) but the man seems to go overboard.
hope it is not the case with setien's barca, but it seems for the big teams, with established superstars, the gung-ho style doesn't really work.
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