Matthijs de Ligt

[FC433]

Broadcasting rights favouring big teams across Europe (not just Barca) has been common place for years. The big clubs in England would do anything to have it back. Barca's competitors in La Liga are RM and Atleti who also got the same advantage, hence nullifying any advantage over our competitors. The point about financial doping is extremely valid, none of the above invalidates it.

At present, only Spanish and Portuguese clubs sell their rights on an individual basis, creating the disparity that last season made Real Madrid over €140m (£119m) from television income and Granada around €12m. In England, the champions Manchester City earned £60m through TV, while relegated Blackburn Rovers and Wolverhampton Wanderers made £40m.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/11/la-liga-television-rights-premier-league

I am going to stop here. You can do a little bit of research if you are not convinced. But the truth is, the unfair distribution helped us a lot the past decade or so.

 

[FC433]

Yes, us and Real Madrid have disproportionately benefited from the Spanish TV deals up to now but our approach has been one to make the overall pie bigger so everyone can have a bigger slice. Smaller clubs are definitely making more under the new TV deal that kicked in a couple of years ago.

Oh Madrid is even worse with Florentino Pérez. He has contacts and he is quite powerful, politically.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/11/la-liga-television-rights-premier-league

I am going to stop here. You can do a little bit of research if you are not convinced. But the truth is, the unfair distribution helped us a lot the past decade or so.

I think it's perfectly normal that Real Madrid gets 11 times the TV income than Granada and completely stupid that City only gets 1.5 times more than Wolves. You disagree with that? Also, how does this mean that clubs are allowed to get away with financial doping?

 

[Newcomer]

I think it's perfectly normal that Real Madrid gets 11 times the TV income than Granada and completely stupid that City only gets 1.5 times more than Wolves. You disagree with that? Also, how does this mean that clubs are allowed to get away with financial doping?

What he is saying is that it is a bit rich to cry foul and unfairness when, from the start, Barcelona is one of the club that has benefited from the unfairness of the system.

As pointed out by Ajax, it reeks of Super rich crying about ultra rich.

If you like Financial Fair play so much, why don't you apply that in your own league ? In other leagues, the money is distributed more equally between clubs with bonus according to the sporting results (club position at the end of season in the standings) and the number of games broadcasting in prime time.

And even when we take all that into account, Barça still has the biggest wage bill by far. It is not like they are some kind of paupers and are being outgunned in wages in general. We are talking about one of the very richest club, that is spending quite a lot regularly on transfer and salaries.

I mean, for which player exactly Barça got outbid ? They got Coutinho for a premium price, they got Dembélé, they got Malcom while they didn't even need him, they got Arthur, they got de Jong, they are getting Griezmann. They didn't get Jovic but it was done by Real, so no correlation with his claim here.

 

[Newcomer]

No, we have a sports club which is funded by it's sports revenue complaining about sports clubs which are funded by non-sports revenue.

And UEFA plus the CAS have delivered their verdict.

Or is it Barcelona that dictates the decision ?

 

[Newcomer]

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Raiola saying de Ligt-PSG news are fake news.

Still working his auctionning.

 

[Givenchy]

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i don't really follow PSG but do you really need another CB? I presume he'd start next to T. Silva with Marquinhos benched? i did hear before Tuchel was using Marqinhos in midfield but that could be due to their shortage.

T. Silva
Marquinhos
Kimpembe
Kehrer

isn't much better for the 'competition' reason than

Pique
Umtiti (unknown how he recovers)
Lenglet
Todibo

-------DDG
T. Silva-De Ligt

could be possible which would be an immense back line providing De Gea gets his shit together

 

[Ajax]

These young players you mentioned are not costing us much less than those you asked us to stay away from.

But in principle I agree. Abide our time, buy young and start rebuilding.

The fees are just the market fees. Barca shouldnt be buying 2nd grade talents or 50 fifteen year olds. I actually think its healthy that big clubs buy the supertalented young players who made their mark at their previous team

Teams like Ajax can then buy the 10-20m players. The clubs we shop at can then trickle it down with 5m transfer fees etc.

Barca is partially so liked because of their identity and youth development. Dont ruin that by becoming a club that just buys star player. You dont have a golden generation now so buy young talented players and built. Then the new homegrown players can join in a few years.

Offtopic; big clubs buying teens at bulk is a MAJOR problem. Having 0% chance for first team. Just bought to be loaned out. Players like Odegaard shouldnt be too expensive for a club like Ajax.

 

[Newcomer]

[MENTION=15570]Newcomer[/MENTION]

i don't really follow PSG but do you really need another CB? I presume he'd start next to T. Silva with Marquinhos benched? i did hear before Tuchel was using Marqinhos in midfield but that could be due to their shortage.

T. Silva
Marquinhos
Kimpembe
Kehrer

isn't much better for the 'competition' reason than

Pique
Umtiti (unknown how he recovers)
Lenglet
Todibo

-------DDG
T. Silva-De Ligt

could be possible which would be an immense back line providing De Gea gets his shit together

Heard De Gea is goign nowhere.

Lot of rumours about goalkeepers at PSG : Navas/Donnarumma. Think Navas is more likely due to financial reasons.

About De Ligt, it has been said that the will to sign him is from Qatar owner (Emir and his aides). The same way they imposed Tuchel to the day to day management of PSG (Nasser and Henrique). The same way they are putting Leonardo back.

Those are the kind of "personal" targets like Mbappé. You don't really need them but since it is such a special player, YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED IT according to the owner.

Lot of rumours going around the central back position :
-Some are saying it means Kehrer as the right fullback with Meunier leaving. But there were rumours about Ricardo Pereira from Leicester.
-Some are saying Marquinhos in the middle again because we would have no money left for that position if we buy de Ligt.
-Some are saying Kimpembe (40 M€) sold to soften the cost of de Ligt.
-Some saying Thiago Silva shipped away to give his wages to de Ligt.
-Some are saying both Kimpembe and Thiago Silva gone.

My personal take is Marquinhos will not be benched, whether he plays in the middle whether we sell Thiago Silva/Kimpembe. Marquinhos is the future of PSG.

To be honest, nobody knows anything about PSG. They all talk bullshit, half truths and are just guessing.
Even the guys that rightly announced Raiola trip to Paris said that he would meet Leonardo. Turns out he met with Antero Henrique. French press was saying Henrique was not putting any effort in his work at all from the day he knew Leonardo would take over. Some said Leonardo is in the Mediterranean Sea, enjoying himself, before his arrival in July. Others that he is already back in Paris.
Some said Cavani would be sold (yes!!!) to Atletico, but today we got rather reliable claims he will renew (his situation is like yours with Suarez, except Suarez can have brillance).
Some said Rabiot will renw, some said he will not.
Some said we want Allan. Some said he is too expensive and we are showing interest in Veretout (the replacement of Allan at Napoli if the latter would leave) to put pressure on Napoli.
Some said Leonardo wants Barella but he is already in very serious talks with Inter (same with Agoumé we wanted but chose Inter).

 

[delancey]

But let's be honest. Ligue 1 sucks compared to the Premier League and La Liga.

He need to be challenged week in week out. Don't think the Lique 1 will give him that.
Even with their B-squad they can win the competition lol.

You have a point. France is, however, a country that has produced a lot of top-tier players over the last few years. The French Football Association et al. take their responsibility of fostering growth seriously and I believe this is a positive statement for Ligue 1.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

What he is saying is that it is a bit rich to cry foul and unfairness when, from the start, Barcelona is one of the club that has benefited from the unfairness of the system.

As pointed out by Ajax, it reeks of Super rich crying about ultra rich.

If you like Financial Fair play so much, why don't you apply that in your own league ? In other leagues, the money is distributed more equally between clubs with bonus according to the sporting results (club position at the end of season in the standings) and the number of games broadcasting in prime time.

And even when we take all that into account, Barça still has the biggest wage bill by far. It is not like they are some kind of paupers and are being outgunned in wages in general. We are talking about one of the very richest club, that is spending quite a lot regularly on transfer and salaries.

I mean, for which player exactly Barça got outbid ? They got Coutinho for a premium price, they got Dembélé, they got Malcom while they didn't even need him, they got Arthur, they got de Jong, they are getting Griezmann. They didn't get Jovic but it was done by Real, so no correlation with his claim here.

TV money being distributed equally between RM and Granada is not Financial Fair Play, it is Financially unfair for the bigger club (RM). There is absolutely nothing wrong or untoward in my opinion about bigger clubs with more fans getting more TV revenue than smaller clubs with less fans. That's seems perfectly normal to me.

Who cares about Barca's wage bill or transfer fees - that's not the discussion here, the discussion is where those resources are coming from. Look I'm no PSG hater by any means (I have defended them numerous times here) and put them in the same bracket as Madrid, City, Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and even Everton. And Barca are not whiter than white either, but one of the few moral high grounds Barcelona can justifiably take is the issue of FFP.

 

[Newcomer]

You have a point. France is, however, a country that has produced a lot of top-tier players over the last few years. The French Football Association et al. take their responsibility of fostering growth seriously and I believe this is a positive statement for Ligue 1.

He is wrong though about the B-squad bit.

As soon as PSG got hit mentally by the CL exit and they got the injury spree (playing our B team), they started to lose and ship a lot of goals against Nantes, Lille, etc. They even lost the French Cup final to Rennes.

It it was that easy, we wouldn't have got such a terrible end of season.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

And UEFA plus the CAS have delivered their verdict.

Or is it Barcelona that dictates the decision ?

If you think PSG and City have spent over a billion on transfers and all of it has come from their sports revenue - then I am, respectfully, going to have to disagree.

 

[Luftstalag14]

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Raiola saying de Ligt-PSG news are fake news.

Still working his auctionning.

Well, he was clearly in Paris today talking to PSG, he was saying that just to keep De Ligt's options open, most likely, in case there are bigger offers. However, I doubt any clubs would trump PSG's 20m gross + 5m bonuses offer.

 

[Newcomer]

TV money being distributed equally between RM and Granada is not Financial Fair Play, it is Financially unfair for the bigger club (RM). There is absolutely nothing wrong or untoward in my opinion about bigger clubs with more fans getting more TV revenue than smaller clubs with less fans. That's seems perfectly normal to me.

Who cares about Barca's wage bill or transfer fees - that's not the discussion here, the discussion is where those resources are coming from. Look I'm no PSG hater by any means (I have defended them numerous times here) and put them in the same bracket as Madrid, City, Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and even Everton. And Barca are not whiter than white either, but one of the few moral high grounds Barcelona can justifiably take is the issue of FFP.

What i'm saying is a lot of people and club claim they want the football to be fairer and they don't like the fact there are some clubs with so much money, grabbing all the quality players. But, if you want to start to be fair, you start within your own league and spread the TV rights more equally so that all clubs have better economics and better chance from the start. With Barça and Real dominating, they would inevitably get way more money than a Grenada with the cash prize for sporting merit and more money because they are broadcasted at prime time. But i get your point, however i'm sure that should PSG ask more money because they are the biggest team in France, people will start to moan.

However, to be honest, i don't really care because i'm not th one crying for "fair economics". If we start talking real, football has never been fair in terms of money distribution and it is only now that people try to villify an investor investing his money in his club. But those are the rules that have been enacted. And PSG was just under investigation and had to sell players like Lo Celso for peanuts money and Guedes and Pastore and Berchiche and etc.... So why is a sporting and economic rival is asking for sanction on another competitor ? It is UEFA work to do, not Bartomeu who has to claim anything.

And when he says the money of Barcelona is 100 % coming from football but Barcelona was taking Qatar money. Why is that same money used in another club a money coming out of football ?
If he is talking about the values, it is UEFA work to do and they have downvalued QTA sponsorship from 200 initially to 100 in 2014 to 50 M from 2015.