Ernesto Valverde - V1

[FCBfan22]

Tomorrow is one week anniversary of that shitshow/embarrasment at Anfield.

And the life is the same as before at FC Complacementcelona. Pinocchio happy as a swine in mud.

 

[Givenchy]

Regarding EV being the safest bet, it meant: with EV you know what you will get: 1-2 defeats in La Liga over 38 rounds, boring football, 2:0 wins with Messi's goals and a CL exit with a 4:0 defeat.
With any new coach, you don't know what you will get:
1) you can get a coach who will click right away, win trophies and play awesome football
2) or you will get a coach who will struggle in the beginning

For example, even if we would brought Klopp or Pochetino, I am not too sure that they would click RIGHT AWAY.
Long term, probably yes (even though, Coutinho was a safe bet on paper also. Van Gaal was a safe bet in his 2nd spell also).
So, imo, EV is a safest bet except for Pep, that he will bring results in La Liga right away, since he had 3-4 defeats in La Liga over the last 76 matches.

With any other coach in the world, not named Pep, there is more uncertainty regarding his short term results in the next season regarding La Liga.
Before you'll reply: but we need long term success and a plan.
I am not denying that.
I am saying that Barto, the board and socios are playing it safe.
They want La Liga and nothing more.
And in this moment, EV is probably 80-90% safe bet that he will win La Liga in the next season, especially with Frenkie and Griezmann.

and how is Valverde the 'safest' bet for la liga? Madrid are about to rebuild, Zidane will be gunning for la liga more than ever after his recent comments.. we got lucky this season Madrid were in transition. next season our seniors are another year older, less motivated and we have no game plan AFTER 2 YEARS; its pass the ball to Messi and pray.

we don't need a manager to settle in right away and hit the ground running, we need a clear plan going forward. you think adding Griezmann (we have no idea where the fuck he'll play under EV) and Frenkie who will probably be benched for his bumboy Rakitic or maybe his new bumboy will be Busi after his undying love and defence of Ernie. do we give him the green light to buy Willian?

the board clearly have some sense in that they don't agree with the players this fraud was targeting. hopefully they tell the seniors to fuck off and sack his ass after the Copa

 

[KingLeo10]

lol BBZ la liga being a 'safe bet' with EV implies EV is the mastermind in those league wins.

we got 100 points and finished 19 points ahead of Madrid with tito undergoing cancer treatment and jordi roura as the caretaker.

How? Because Messi scored 60 goals that season and saved our sorry asses.

Both 17/18 and 18/19 La liga wins are 90% Messi.

fuck outta here with that EV is a 'safe bet' nonsense.

 

[xXKonan]

No point in trying to rehabilitate Valverde.

He will be remembered for leading us to some horrible defeats in the CL knock out stages which we proceeded to choke good leads. The guy is a loser when it matters.

 

[FCB1987]

If we don't win against Eibar, this will be our lowest points total since 2008

so much for Valtardo being breat in the league

 

[BBZ8800]

lol BBZ la liga being a 'safe bet' with EV implies EV is the mastermind in those league wins.

we got 100 points and finished 19 points ahead of Madrid with tito undergoing cancer treatment and jordi roura as the caretaker.

How? Because Messi scored 60 goals that season and saved our sorry asses.

Both 17/18 and 18/19 La liga wins are 90% Messi.

fuck outta here with that EV is a 'safe bet' nonsense.

and how is Valverde the 'safest' bet for la liga? Madrid are about to rebuild, Zidane will be gunning for la liga more than ever after his recent comments.. we got lucky this season Madrid were in transition. next season our seniors are another year older, less motivated and we have no game plan AFTER 2 YEARS; its pass the ball to Messi and pray.

we don't need a manager to settle in right away and hit the ground running, we need a clear plan going forward. you think adding Griezmann (we have no idea where the fuck he'll play under EV) and Frenkie who will probably be benched for his bumboy Rakitic or maybe his new bumboy will be Busi after his undying love and defence of Ernie. do we give him the green light to buy Willian?

the board clearly have some sense in that they don't agree with the players this fraud was targeting. hopefully they tell the seniors to fuck off and sack his ass after the Copa

I'll start one more time:
1. I am done with EV, I would like to see a new coach
2. my post is my estimation how the board sees EV and our situation
3. you guys are talking about a new page and a long term future, AGAIN, I agree with you. EV is not a guy for a long term nor a guy who will turn the page. Nor a guy for a Champions league.
So, one more time, I am talking from board's point of view.
If we assume that LA Liga is a no1 for them, then they want a coach who will (ALMOST SURELY) win La Liga next year.

In 4 years before EV; Tata and Lucho managed to lose La Liga.
EV won 2 La Ligas in 2 years. He won La Liga in his 1st season with a weaker team than Lucho.

This is just my personal view now:
EV vs Pimienta in 2019/20 season: who is more likely to win La Liga in the next season?
EV in his 3rd attempt, or Pimienta in his debut season?
On the other hand, long term success over 3-5 seasons is a different story.
EV vs Setien in 2019/20: who is more likely to win La Liga?
EV with players with whom he has done it twice, or a new coach Setien?
The same, EV versus Klopp in a 1st season?
EV who has done it twice or Klopp who never coached in Spain, doesn't know our players and would probably need some time to rebuild a team and install his ideas?

Btw, I would like Klopp, since LONG TERM he would turn the page.
Also, he would offer a chance in a CL.
But I am talking ONLY about La Liga in the next season, not about long term future or about CL.

In that sense, I think that EV is the safest bet because he will probably do the same thing in La liga with our players.
Griezz (Dembele)-Suarez-Messi
Busi-Frenkie-Arthur/Raki and that's it.
A title is here.

Fot the xxth time: I am not for EV. I would turn the page and sell oldies.
But if you look only from a perspective of short term results and how the board and socios are interested ONLY in La liga and Cdr, then you can understand why they are still with EV.

 

[Zidane82]

Thing us about all the ‘success’ from Valverde ... is it’s basically down to Messi .,

 

[Maxim4]

The family tree of Barca is currently:
Papi Barto, father Ernesto and son of Ivan.

 

[abbbs97]

‼️ Valverde and Segura's relationship isn't good. The Anfield defeat could have serious consequences in the sacking of either Valverde or the club's general manager of football, Segura. [Cadena SER, ��]

Lets hope they both get sacked.

 

[Hamzah]

Valgreen apologists labelling the Copa as a grand and majestic cup which is more prestigious than the Champions league.

Hoping to somehow downplay one of the most spectacular and embarrassing defeats ever witnessed in the history of FC Barceona and European sport.

who is doing that? I don't see anyone in this thread. if you're targeting this at me then I am not defending the cup, I am saying the local fans regard it as important, it shows their low ambition, I am criticising them and the board.

 

[Messigician]

Yes, you are right.

Imo, to some extent, Barca has a bigger complex of Real than vice versa.
In terms of sport:
1. Real was a European giants since 50s (I want enter into reasons how they have done it), but still: Real was on top, we didn't have any trophies.
Of course that we want to prove to them how good we are than vice versa.
2. in political terms, again, Catalonia wants a separation and again, they have bigger reasons to stick it to Spain and RM than vice versa.

So, for us fans outside of fans, CL is the biggest trophy, but if we look a history and a current political situation, it is not that huge of a surprise to understand where the board members are coming from.
When they will look at this season, they will probably rate it this way:
1. La Liga, we won. 1:0 for Barca, EV and all players.
2. CDR, we won. 2:0 for Barca, EV and all players.
3. CL, we made a huge mistake, but since CL is hard to win either way and RM was also bad, it's ok.

Season's success: 8/10 to 9/10 in their eyes, is my wild guess.

So, in their eyes, a season was a huge success.

Regarding next season and turning the page, we have learned that the board likes to play it safe.
So, these are possible scenarios:
1. Barca keeping EV and majority of senior players (except Rakitic and Coutinho).
What can happen?
1) we will most likely win La Liga again due to Messi
2) if we lose La Liga, THEN the board will react in the next summer
2) Barca getting a new coach and keeping majority of senior players.
What can happen?
1) imo, it is a bigger risk. On one hand, we might win La Liga and start to play awesome.
2) on the other hand, we might turn into Lopetegui's or Solari's Real.
So, to the board, keeping EV is a safer option than a risk, especially since Pep, Klopp and similar can't come here.
3) Barca firing EV, getting a new coach and selling a lot of senior players (Busi, Raki, Suarez, Coutinho, Vidal):
1) a huge risk. We might turn into a new Pep's era.
2) but also we might turn into Man Utd or Arsenal.

So, again, when you sum it all:
1. Barcelona and socios rate La Liga and CDR the most. Add hate towards Real and Spain.
2. EV won 2 doubles
3. Barto likes to play it safe
4. all core players are under long contracts (Busi, Suarez, Pique, Alba) so we can't turn the page either way
5. new coaches and young players are extremely risky (Denis, Gomes, Paco, Digne, Semedo, Dembele, Malcom vs Umtiti and Lenglet)

My personal bet in this moment is:
1. EV will stay
2. we will find 2-3 scapegoats like Rakitic, Couitnho, maybe Malcom, Vidal or Umtiti
3. we will buy Frenkie, De Ligt and Griezmann.
Now, seriously, we have Messi and a team who won majority of La Ligas in the last 10 years.
Frenkie should be a good signing.
Griezmann is a player who played 10 years in LA Liga, won a World cup and scored 140 goals in Spain.
So, realistically, unless if Griezmann somehow turns into Coutinho, we should win another La Liga.
And again, that is the most important thing.

The last 2 times when we have turned the page was in 2003, after 4 years without trophies and in 2008 after 2 years without trophies.
The board will NOT turn the page drastically in this moment after 2 doubles.

Again, Barto will silence the fans with:
1. selling a few scapegoats
2. and buying 2-3 superstars to calm down the fans

To some extent, if we'll win La Liga again and bottle CL again, Barto would probably keep EV still.
I mean, since we won La Liga and said "fuck you" to Real and Spain.
And that is the most important thing in the world for Barto, the board and old socios.



Well:
1. those players love themselves
2. EV loves them
3. Barto loves them, he gave them long contracts
4. a large potion of fans still love them (look at how people are defending Busi in his thread, for example, lol)

Good analysis

 

[Medz]

Do you guys think that Setien's recent terrible form with Betis is just because he doesnt have the quality players (which wouldnt be a problem at Barça) and that he is just working with what he has? Cause Betis play beautiful football and create alot of chances, its just that their defenders suck and they have a very average striker.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

Do you guys think that Setien's recent terrible form with Betis is just because he doesnt have the quality players (which wouldnt be a problem at Barça) and that he is just working with what he has? Cause Betis play beautiful football and create alot of chances, its just that their defenders suck and they have a very average striker.

On the contrary, with the players he had at his disposal Betis should have been challenging for Europa League places.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

For Catalans, winning in Spain is all that matters, a win in Europe is a bonus. at Madrid it's different, they always prided themselves on winning in Europe starting from the 1950's. Barca didn't have any success in Europe until the late 70's and didn't win a European cup until the 90's, despite having the likes of Luis Suarez, Cruyff, Maradona.

Catalans just want to stick it to Spain especially after recent events, and winning the "King's Cup" is very important to them. Winning a Copa in Madrid or Seville or wherever and booing the anthem etc while taking home the trophy are the highlight of the season for Catalans.

In the same way as if you decide to support Man Utd you have to sympathize with the Busby babes, Liverpool with the 96, etc etc if you choose to support Barcelona, even from afar, you have to respect their past of oppression at the hands of Franco and how that is synonymous with Real Madrid. And it is not hot air - it was very real and only recently we saw it when old women were being hit by police batons in the head because they were trying to perform a democratic vote. We then saw a huge wave of support for those actions the next time Madrid played at the Bernabeu.

Given that, for 'fans' to want Barca to get thrashed in the Copa final with some misguided belief that it will have any influence on Valverde getting sacked ( it almost certainly wouldn't ) is just absolutely disgusting and is symbolic of a spoilt, plastic fanbase that is only happy when it is winning, and even then most are only happy when that win has come whilst playing Brazil 1970 football.

Barcelona is a Catalan club, that doesn't mean that foreign fans have to bow to their every Catalan whim, it means that foreign fans need to respect their desires and ideals. What Barca have done domestically recently is extraordinary given the various discrimination and hatred towards them in Spain ( All the refs are well known to support Madrid, the Liga president is a Madrid fan - openly and with no shame ).

I want Valverde gone and I view the CL 5 times more important than a CDR, but those 'fans' who want Barca humiliated in front of a Spanish country where they are already fighting so many uphill battles are simply ridiculous 'fans' who deserve little more than a Valverde Barca to support/hate upon.

 

[Don Andrésº8]

Regarding EV being the safest bet, it meant: with EV you know what you will get: 1-2 defeats in La Liga over 38 rounds, boring football, 2:0 wins with Messi's goals and a CL exit with a 4:0 defeat.
With any new coach, you don't know what you will get:
1) you can get a coach who will click right away, win trophies and play awesome football
2) or you will get a coach who will struggle in the beginning

For example, even if we would brought Klopp or Pochetino, I am not too sure that they would click RIGHT AWAY.
Long term, probably yes (even though, Coutinho was a safe bet on paper also. Van Gaal was a safe bet in his 2nd spell also).
So, imo, EV is a safest bet except for Pep, that he will bring results in La Liga right away, since he had 3-4 defeats in La Liga over the last 76 matches.

With any other coach in the world, not named Pep, there is more uncertainty regarding his short term results in the next season regarding La Liga.
Before you'll reply: but we need long term success and a plan.
I am not denying that.
I am saying that Barto, the board and socios are playing it safe.
They want La Liga and nothing more.
And in this moment, EV is probably 80-90% safe bet that he will win La Liga in the next season, especially with Frenkie and Griezmann.

lol clueless about football, klopp in his first month in liverpoool already had changed more things than this retarded in 2 years