Luka Jović

[xXKonan]

I'd rather spend the 60 Million on Jovic than any high fee for Valencia's Rodrigo who Sport claims Valverde likes the most.

I sure hope the Rodrigo rumor is just typical international break nonsense. Jovic, Maxi Gomez etc at least make sense on paper due to their age and potential. Guys Like Rodrigo, who isn't World Class or had World Class potential would be nothing more than a stop gap and right now I'm not a fan of that.

The only 28 year old I would spend big bucks on to make it actually worth it would be Griezmann, even if he isn't the most perfect fit compared to someone like Rodrigo.

 

[DonAndres]

First of all "his first season as starter" what does that even mean? What was he doing during his 2 seasons in Benfica and his first season in Frankfurt? You wrote this like it's a good a not bad thing that he didn't show anything special until this season.

Secondly you are describing this guy like he is a world wonder while in fact he is only one season wonder for now. If he performed like this for 2 or 3 seasons in a row than I would be more than excited if were in the race for him. IMHO 60 mil for ONE season is just to much. I sincerely doubt that European clubs will be all over him if that amount is correct.

Thirdly I agree that German league is better than Dutch but the level of German league has dropped significantly in the last couple of years. Paco scored 14 goals in less playing time and even Kramaric scored 13 goals in Bundesliga this season and I don't rate him at all.

He literally wasn't a full time starter and spent more time as a sub until this season. Why is it so bad that a player only broke out as a 21 year old? Literally none of Suarez/Lewa/Cavani/Salah/Diego Costa/David Villa/Falcao/Forlan/etc. were playing as well as Jovic is at his current age this season domestically, in Europa, and for the NT. And that is only a few, I could go on and on with names.

Would you be saying the same shtick of "it's a bad thing they didn't show anything until age 22-23+" about those guys?? Only very few strikers like Aguero/Rooney/Torres were rising stars at a very young age and ultimately turned into world class players, and 2 of them burned out to only have half a career at the top level. Only Mbappe is out there right now in a similar vein and we don't know what he's gonna be like down the line.

Your argument about Jovic not showing anything until now as if a player is a guaranteed bust for only breaking out as a 21 year old is just absurd. I don't know why you stick to it when it clearly doesn't make sense. Jovic's goal record wasn't even bad last season for the amount of playing time he got, scoring a goal every 120 minutes or so. If that's what you mean by utter mediocrity, I don't know what to tell you.

All I see is you being overly stubborn sticking to your guns about the idea that he's a Paco type player which was originated out of nothing but hot air and conjecture. I'm not saying he's literally the next Suarez, but he certainly is one of the best young strikers on the market right now and shows potential in a lot more areas than many of his peers. You seem to refuse to admit even that much.

I also see a BBZesque next level conservativism about finally accepting that a young talent has legitimate potential. With Arthur it was clear that the former was a great talent when he was leading his team to a Libertadores title as the best player in Brazil. With FDJ it was pretty clear early in the season even during CL qualifiers in the late summer that he was class as a midfielder and had the whole package in terms of skills. And yet BBZ was over here proudly beating his chest that he "accepted" their potential once both players were already dropping 9/10 performances against the likes of Tottenham/Real Madrid/France/Germany/Bayern/etc. Dude was 10 years late to the party and then tried to be sly and act like he was in the right about finally praising their legitimacy as prospects when they were already 80mill+ value players. It's just low level talent evaluation, and you shouldn't follow this suit.

That's exactly the type of shit that big clubs with bad scouting do and end up paying out the ass for talents when they've already emerged as stars. You guys just need to restructure your expectations for young players and reevaluate what you should be looking for on a production basis and skill basis.

 

[serghei]

Relax guys. Our 50m bid is going to be rejected.

 

[Chainsaw]

From what I've seen of him I think he'll be a wise investment. He's a smart striker. He's good with both feet and seems to be a good header as well. Even if 50m is rejected I will raise the offer up to a reasonable price. It's better if we seal the deal soon before his price goes way upper. There are not many better options available at this age and price so I say go for it before PSG, Bayern, or other English clubs come and get him.

 

[putogusiluz8]

This guy is a Fifa player with 99 finishing and shot power

In all seriousness, a precise finisher with a very strong shot. If you feed him balls he'll put them away all night. Has the potential to be a real Machine. I like him.

Also he looks corpulent and bulky like a brute, but he has some skills; can dribble, take on defenders, create plays. Not as dumb as he looks at all.

He has my blessing.

 

[Raketa10]

I watched Jovic yesterday again against Germany and I honestly didn't see much of that "creativity" people are talking about but maybe I am wrong. Some of you make fair points, we might disagree on Jovic but in the end I agree that he is our main option together with Griezmann. My only concern is that he isn't the solution for us in the long term but we'll see. So either we spend 120 mil on a world class player (Griezmann) or risk 50% of that amount on Jovic (he for sure won't be sold for 50 mil). In the end the club will decide. My point is that 60 mil is not a small amount of money so we better be sure he is worth it. I don't agree on the premises that we have spent a huge amount of money on failures so if we do it one more time it won't be a problem. It will be a problem and this has to stop, we need to stop making mistakes with big signings because we won't be able to continue operating like that in the long term.

 

[Nothanks]

To be fair, he plays for serbia against one of the power houses in national teams

he has creativity not as great as some people here rave about but certainly isn't a paco.

 

[MTL_Barca]

Well i mean we still talk about a CF, "creativity" there is not gonna result in creating 10 chances on its own every game. Other strikers like Lewandowski, Kun etc also aren't that "creative".

Jovic is no playmaker. He positions himself well, is decent technical wise, can drop deeper here and has great finishing with both feet and head. Pretty much what you can expect from a #9. If link up play and creating chances is priority we have to look for other players and don't even think about tall strikers like Jovic or Maxi.

Also he played a friendly for Serbia away vs a much bigger nation, and his team was even missing important players as well. If you want to take anything from that game it's how bad Werner plays as a CF.

Griezmann was always an interesting option but if we're honest he would've probably just ruined Dembeles Barca career instead of replacing Suarez. I can't see Valverde bench Suarez to play Griezmann at all. Like in theory there is Messi false 9 with Dembele and Griezmann but in reality i could already picture Ernie fielding Messi--Suarez every game anyway and Griezmann joining Cou in the "we have no idea where to put these" club. On top of double the transfer fee there is also like at least triple the salary. Jovic or not i wouldn't sign Griezmann this summer, that clown had his chance.

 

[Gaudi]

I dont' think he is Barca quality. Many times players have a good season, score etc, but I don't see Barca quality here. He is one of those players that is either completely invisible on the pitch or he scores and gets good grades after the game. Barca needs complete forward not poacher, especially after Messi's era.

 

[Arizona Scott]

I watched Jovic yesterday again against Germany and I honestly didn't see much of that "creativity" people are talking about but maybe I am wrong. Some of you make fair points, we might disagree on Jovic but in the end I agree that he is our main option together with Griezmann. My only concern is that he isn't the solution for us in the long term but we'll see. So either we spend 120 mil on a world class player (Griezmann) or risk 50% of that amount on Jovic (he for sure won't be sold for 50 mil). In the end the club will decide. My point is that 60 mil is not a small amount of money so we better be sure he is worth it. I don't agree on the premises that we have spent a huge amount of money on failures so if we do it one more time it won't be a problem. It will be a problem and this has to stop, we need to stop making mistakes with big signings because we won't be able to continue operating like that in the long term.

Every club has misses, even with big signings. There is no sure fire way we will know for sure whether a player will adapt for Barca until he is there (unless you get to the 200 mil range for Mbappe or Salah). Sure didn't think Coutinho will fall this short of expectations, or that Arda and A. Vidal and Gomes would be flat zeros. Jury out on Malcom and Semedo who were not cheap either. But recent buys sure look like gems (Arthur, Lenglet, Dembele) and others we made some money off of (passing on Mina, Digne, Deulofeu, mega profit off Neymar). All in all our record is pretty good, heck of lot better than Real or Man U of late, maybe not as good as Liverpool or City but they don't get it always right either (and City is more immune from financial risk). Scouting is never a perfect science and it is not just at Barca--look at Fred, Kieta, Stones, Mahrez, Otamendi, James, Bale, Danilo, Pogba, Sanchez--their last moves were overpays to flat busts yet all were thought of as world class/top prospects.

 

[MTL_Barca]

I dont' think he is Barca quality. Many times players have a good season, score etc, but I don't see Barca quality here. He is one of those players that is either completely invisible on the pitch or he scores and gets good grades after the game. Barca needs complete forward not poacher, especially after Messi's era.

And who would that be?

Also even for 50-60M, it's not like we're gonna stick with this guy forever. We paid 41M for Malcom and 35M for Lenglet for example and both were probably never intended to be starters. Even 35M Semedo is only on/off so far.

Strikers are generally more expensive so i don't see a big difference here. If we can sign a world class replacement for Suarez 1-2 years from now we can still do that, that could end up being like a 150M purchase tho.

I don't think we absolutely have to sign Jovic and i'm not sure about him becoming a top 10 striker but i know we need a new striker because we can't only rely on Suarez and Messi as his only replacement. We field them together most games but we simply can't keep going like that much longer seeing that they are both 32+ now and with Suarez there is always the possibility of an injury or him playing shit for x weeks.

We all want that perfect fitting young striker that can walk into our starting 11 but i just don't see one and even if there was one next year you could call him a fluke too. I mean we can also chase dreams about signing Mbappe in some years but that won't help us for next season and will probably never be reality.

If we get big money for Cou or Malcom this summer we have to sign a striker, no matter if there is a 100% fitting player or not. This is not a luxury signing, we need a new striker if we want to keep playing our current formation.

 

[FCBarca]

I can honestly say I know nothing about the player

 

[Gaudi]

And who would that be?

Also even for 50-60M, it's not like we're gonna stick with this guy forever. We paid 41M for Malcom and 35M for Lenglet for example and both were probably never intended to be starters. Even 35M Semedo is only on/off so far.

Strikers are generally more expensive so i don't see a big difference here. If we can sign a world class replacement for Suarez 1-2 years from now we can still do that, that could end up being like a 150M purchase tho.

I don't think we absolutely have to sign Jovic and i'm not sure about him becoming a top 10 striker but i know we need a new striker because we can't only rely on Suarez and Messi as his only replacement. We field them together most games but we simply can't keep going like that much longer seeing that they are both 32+ now and with Suarez there is always the possibility of an injury or him playing shit for x weeks.

We all want that perfect fitting young striker that can walk into our starting 11 but i just don't see one and even if there was one next year you could call him a fluke too. I mean we can also chase dreams about signing Mbappe in some years but that won't help us for next season and will probably never be reality.

If we get big money for Cou or Malcom this summer we have to sign a striker, no matter if there is a 100% fitting player or not. This is not a luxury signing, we need a new striker if we want to keep playing our current formation.

I don't know, we have paid scouts for that, but for me Jović is not that guy.

 

[Barcaman]

I can honestly say I know nothing about the player

Refreshing honesty.

I havent seen a full match of Eintracht either. Only seen the highlights.

Even if he is close to his hype it would only be a waste because Retardo won't drop Suarez and barely rests him.

 

[Sorin]

And who would that be?

Also even for 50-60M, it's not like we're gonna stick with this guy forever. We paid 41M for Malcom and 35M for Lenglet for example and both were probably never intended to be starters. Even 35M Semedo is only on/off so far.

Strikers are generally more expensive so i don't see a big difference here. If we can sign a world class replacement for Suarez 1-2 years from now we can still do that, that could end up being like a 150M purchase tho.

I don't think we absolutely have to sign Jovic and i'm not sure about him becoming a top 10 striker but i know we need a new striker because we can't only rely on Suarez and Messi as his only replacement. We field them together most games but we simply can't keep going like that much longer seeing that they are both 32+ now and with Suarez there is always the possibility of an injury or him playing shit for x weeks.

We all want that perfect fitting young striker that can walk into our starting 11 but i just don't see one and even if there was one next year you could call him a fluke too. I mean we can also chase dreams about signing Mbappe in some years but that won't help us for next season and will probably never be reality.

If we get big money for Cou or Malcom this summer we have to sign a striker, no matter if there is a 100% fitting player or not. This is not a luxury signing, we need a new striker if we want to keep playing our current formation.

I don't know, we have paid scouts for that, but for me Jović is not that guy.

Ok, if Jovic won't pan out, we'll move on to the next target. Simply waiting for Suarez to decline even more without doing anything to address the issue is more dangerous than splurging 50-60m on Jovic.

Again, there are maybe 2 strikers that can instantly make and impact at this moment: Mbappe and Kane and they're both unrealistic targets or they cost 250m. Suffice to say we don't have that kind of money.