Gerard Deulofeu

[Alik]

I'm not "disrespecting" Pedro at all. Just being realistic. He played with the best Spanish generation of all time and the best player of all time.

He was specifically chosen above other world-class wingers to play for those Barça and Spain squads.

Sure he is serviceable for Chelsea. I did not see him break the league like Alexis though.

He is not just "serviceable", he is one of the key players. He doesn't need to break the league. And again Deulofeu was a reject in both his stints at Everton.

Pedro had advantage because he was never as good as Deu, therefore was not hyped to the sky coming from the youth teams. This made him unselfish and hard working. Deulofeu was arrogant and entitled which made him lazy and fragile in heated moments.

I hope you realize how absurd that sounds. The "advantage" of being a worse player

Deulofeu has much higher ceiling if he puts his head into it and be humble.

Big if.

 

[Alik]

A nice game from him, but one question for guys who watched him more often.
Does he have problems with Stamina?

His match looked like this:
10 mins: he doesn't do anything
11th minute: he makes an amazing action
Next 10 minutes: he needs to slow down to catch a breath
20th minute: an amazing action
2nd half: even worse (looking as if he is tired all the time) and less running/solo actions.

I am exagerrating, but you get the point.
For now it seems: when he tries a solo action, he is awesome. But it seems that he has stamina only for 5-6 actions over a match.
He isn't able to run up and down for 90 minutes and try 20-30 solo actions (for example, Neymar was able to try a solo action every 2 minutes and wasn't tired).

If someone will reply: it is the 1st match of a season.
Neymar and Roberto also played only 2-3 matches this season.
Roberto is running like a robot. Neymar is running up and down at Psg, the same as always. 20-30 times per match.
They aren't affected by the 1st match of a season.

I did notice he was out of breath in the first half and I think that's because he was giving it all in attack and tracking back in defense. Stamina can be improved though.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

I hope you realize how absurd that sounds. The "advantage" of being a worse player

He meant the advantage of being an under-hyped player which was of the consequence of him being a worse player in academy than Deulofeu.

And even though I cannot argue against the statement that Deulofeu wasn't good at Everton while Pedro was a starter for World class teams, I still can see Deulofeu being more skillful on the ball and more explosive than pedro.

 

[Petulant Whiner]

He was specifically chosen above other world-class wingers to play for those Barça and Spain squads.



He is not just "serviceable", he is one of the key players. He doesn't need to break the league. And again Deulofeu was a reject in both his stints at Everton.




I hope you realize how absurd that sounds. The "advantage" of being a worse player



Big if.

What were the world class right wingers he beat for the spot in Barca?

As I remember he got the starting spot after Zlatan started acting like a primadonna and Henry was no longer a big league quality player. He had a good season playing with Messi and Villa in the most avant garde system at the time. And that's what he is. A system player.

What did he do when Pep's system got found out? Did he elevate the team in any way or did he slowly start to disappear as the team started to struggle?

Did he carry Spain when Iniesta and Xavi got older? How often does he get called for Spain now that he does not play for Barcelona?

How is he a "key" player for Chelsea. Hazard and Costa were key players. Are you telling me They were not winning the league with Willian playing on the right and Pedro was not in the team?

What criteria are you judging him by.

I hope you realize how absurd that sounds. The "advantage" of being a worse player

Being less talented at young age is in many cases an advantage. It is not absurd to say that at all. You learn the value of hard work at an young age. Being extremely talented tends to make you complacent.

Also Pedro's best position is not even on the wing like Deulofeu. He is a poacher. He played his best games for Spain when playing off a central forward. On the wing he cannot trick anyone, he cannot out run anyone, he is not a good crosser of the ball...

 

[BBZ8800]

I did notice he was out of breath in the first half and I think that's because he was giving it all in attack and tracking back in defense. Stamina can be improved though.

I know that it can be improved.
But if your natural stamina is 50/100, you can improve it to let's say 70/100.
While a guy with 90/100 natural stamina can improve it to 100/100 (in numbers).

The same as strength and everything.
Everyone can improve physical strength.
But Busquets with weaker natural physical strength 30/100 can improve only to some extent, and he can never reach a physique of Puyol/Umtiti and similar (who are just stronger by nature).

Anyway, Deulo was good and offered a nice amount of threat.
But still, from what I have seen now, he gets tired way more easily than our previous wingers who were tracking in the same amount as he did (Messi, Pedro, Alexis, Neymar).

Also, iirc, I think that user Adversus used to write that Deulo would disappear in the 2nd half of a season due to accumulated fatigue and lower stamina (Everton).

 

[God Serena]

Yes I also noticed Deu was having some issues with stamina. Valverde must know this is an issue that he needs to work on as well, since he pulled him off in the second half despite him being the MotM.

 

[springfield]

I know that it can be improved.
But if your natural stamina is 50/100, you can improve it to let's say 70/100.
While a guy with 90/100 natural stamina can improve it to 100/100 (in numbers).

The same as strength and everything.
Everyone can improve physical strength.
But Busquets with weaker natural physical strength 30/100 can improve only to some extent, and he can never reach a physique of Puyol/Umtiti and similar (who are just stronger by nature).

Anyway, Deulo was good and offered a nice amount of threat.
But still, from what I have seen now, he gets tired way more easily than our previous wingers who were tracking in the same amount as he did (Messi, Pedro, Alexis, Neymar).

Also, iirc, I think that user Adversus used to write that Deulo would disappear in the 2nd half of a season due to accumulated fatigue and lower stamina (Everton).

Would be easy if the human body was simple as that. But it doesn't work that way. Everyone is different, some people can make more progress than others. Some people make quick progress but can stall sooner and at the end make less progress than the other who made progress slower. You can't know.

 

[BBZ8800]

Would be easy if the human body was simple as that. But it doesn't work that way. Everyone is different, some people can make more progress than others. Some people make quick progress but can stall sooner and at the end make less progress than the other who made progress slower. You can't know.

Ok, but in general, some are born with higher/lower natural abilities in some areas.

Yes I also noticed Deu was having some issues with stamina. Valverde must know this is an issue that he needs to work on as well, since he pulled him off in the second half despite him being the MotM.

Ok, you are his fan and I know that you watched him more.
You probably have more infos than us.

I have a feeling for now that Deulo can take the ball and create a dangerous chance WHENEVER he wants.
And I have a feeling that with improved/higher Stamina, he would be able to do a mess in the opponents box way more often.
Currently he tries only 2-3 solo actions per half, but again, I have a feeling that with more stamina, he would be able to do the same 5-6-7 times per half.
As if he makes a solo run and then he shuts down for a several minutes to recharge his batteries.

Which is a somewhat weird because he is only 23 years old.
He should be able to run like a robot all over the field in that age (like Sergi roberto).

 

[Zinedinho]

Does he have problems with Stamina?

He always had. And he has improved at staying fit by the end of games. He used to try too many things in attack and ended up exhausted and not doing what was needed defensive wise. He was only intense when he had the ball, and too often aired his frustrations while he was too out of depth to backtrack. He has balanced this intensity. He is more of a team player. He's being conservative, which, to some extent, shows that he's matured. He can improve from where he is. He could never improve from where he was 2 years ago.

 

[Messi983]

I feel like he can be what pedro was in 2011 if we got a good players in the critical spots.

Pedro was a starter for us, played important games and scored some of the most important goals not scored by Messi in our recent history. I doubt Deulofeu can become all of that. Yes, he probably has more pure talent in his legs but so far he's shown he doesn't have in his head what it takes to make the next step. He doesn't have Pedro's work ethic and attitude.

I was a big fan of Deulofeu years ago and had high hopes for him (like most of us) but at the end he always seemed to go back to his bad old habits and disappoint me. So now that he's back and will be part of our team next season I'm prepared to give him another chance but I'm just taking a game to game approach with him. I won't praise him like crazy after a solid game like yesterday (he still had a lot of "his moments" though) and I won't be disappointed when he'll play bad because I expect this will start to happen sooner or later. When he'll show me that he can stay consistent for 2-3 months, then half season and more, I'll start to believe that he could become anything more than a squad player to occasionally play good against teams like Betis but until then I'll just take anything good he will offer to the team and try to overlook bad things.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Not for hyping Delu, but this Pedro shit again.
Pedro would be a midtable la liga forward that no one cares about, if he wasn't playing for arguably best team in the history. His excellent workrate and la masia education made him a great utility player, which was okay, because at the time Barca's attack was all Messi focused. Even Villa was only a helper. And no way he is key player in chelsky. A good squad player just like he was here.

 

[Adversus]

A nice game from him, but one question for guys who watched him more often.
Does he have problems with Stamina?

His match looked like this:
10 mins: he doesn't do anything
11th minute: he makes an amazing action
Next 10 minutes: he needs to slow down to catch a breath
20th minute: an amazing action
2nd half: even worse (looking as if he is tired all the time) and less running/solo actions.

I am exagerrating, but you get the point.
For now it seems: when he tries a solo action, he is awesome. But it seems that he has stamina only for 5-6 actions over a match.
He isn't able to run up and down for 90 minutes and try 20-30 solo actions (for example, Neymar was able to try a solo action every 2 minutes and wasn't tired).

If someone will reply: it is the 1st match of a season.
Neymar and Roberto also played only 2-3 matches this season.
Roberto is running like a robot. Neymar is running up and down at Psg, the same as always. 20-30 times per match.
They aren't affected by the 1st match of a season.

Stamina is the main reason for a lot of people why he never succeeded at Everton. I agree he did look very tired around the 55 min mark.

Personally I'm not sure. He did work very hard without the ball in that game. There's a difference between running and sprinting and Deulofeu is lightning when he sprints.

 

[stk93]

he wasnt injury in preseason guys?? give him some time...

 

[N612]

The problem also is that we need to give this kid a break! EVERYONE is eyeing every single move and every touch of the ball and he needs to be amazing or we destroy him!

Just think about it, if we did this with ANY other player we would be depressed~!!

But I like this kid, and I think he can be something! Not necessarily a messi or a pedro or anything....he is just a new player! We need to get over comparisons to the past! we need new greats

 

[desoe]

The problem also is that we need to give this kid a break! EVERYONE is eyeing every single move and every touch of the ball and he needs to be amazing or we destroy him!

Just like every other player at Barcelona. If you can't handle this, do not ever come to play for this club.