Thiago Alcantara

[JamDav1982]

What player moves because his agent tell him to?

The player holds the power there and can just tell him where to go.

Not realistic.

 

[serghei]

If you believe the two are the same just go with it.

Doesnt bother me to convince you otherwise.

Both traitors, yes. One is the worst kind, the other a little less worse, but still a traitor. Let's leave it at that then.

 

[JamDav1982]

Both traitors, yes. One is the worst kind, the other a little less worse, but still a traitor. Let's leave it at that then.

You can leave it at that if you want but it is not the common concensus of how Barca fans feel about the two players.

Look at the different reactions to them coming back to Camp Nou.

 

[DonAK]

Is a Neymar a traitor for moving to Barça leaving a struggling Santos behind? Is Suárez a traitor for leaving a Liverpool dependent on him and where he was loved?

This traitor thing opens a can of worms. Basically you can twist every transfer in the World and paint that player as a traitor.

 

[JamDav1982]

Is a Neymar a traitor for moving to Barça leaving a struggling Santos behind? Is Suárez a traitor for leaving a Liverpool dependent on him and where he was loved?

This traitor thing opens a can of worms. Basically you can twist every transfer in the World and paint that player as a traitor.

Exactly is Rakitic a traitor for leaving Sevilla? Bravo Sociedad?

Why would Atleti fans see a player as a traitor going to Real Madrid but not Barca?

Traitor doesnt just cover any player leaving a club that doesnt want to see them go.

 

[serghei]

What player moves because his agent tell him to?

The player holds the power there and can just tell him where to go.

Not realistic.

Figo took some money as well the story said. Because the money came with no pay-back clause. If Florentino wasn't elected, Figo and his agent would have kept the money. If he was elected, they would have to pay back a lot. They accepted the deal becase they thought Florentino had no chance of being elected. He was elected, and the story says that Figo and his agent backed down from the deal, but there were a lot of money involved and they couldn't say no to the deal.

Not saying it's true, but as you see, there are a lot of rumors involved. Several versions to each fact. The fact is he left for Real Madrid, he is a traitor, or was disloyal. I apply the same definition to Thiago. Barca wanted him to stay, and Barca raised him. And he left for a direct european rival, for less money than he was worth, because of a silly clause in his contract.

 

[DonAK]

[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION]

Is Alexis a traitor too? He asked to leave when he could have stayed and fought it out for a place.

 

[JamDav1982]

Figo took some money as well the story said. Because the money came with no pay-back clause. If Florentino wasn't elected, Figo and his agent would have kept the money. If he was elected, they would have to pay back a lot. They accepted the deal becase people thought Florentino had no chance of being elected. He was elected, and the story says that Figo and his agent backed down, but there were a lot of money involved and they couldn't say no to the deal.

Not saying it's true, but as you see, there are a lot of rumors involved. Several versions to each fact. The fact is he left for Real Madrid, he is a traiter, or was disloyal. I apply the same definition to Thiago. Barca wanted him to stay, and Barca raised him. And he left for a direct european rival, for less money than he was worth, because of a silly clause in his contract.

Haha what a story you have concoted there to try and make out all poor Figo was doing was to try and take the money from Perez and stay at Barca.

They are not that stupid and would have known the minute Perez ran with promised signing of Figo and fucking over Barca it was going to happen.

There is nothing at all that could have forced Figo to go to Real against his will. He has spoken about leaving you dont need to beleive these tall tales.

First Barca fan I have heard try to make out Figo is not a traitor.....minutes after saying he is one.

Why do you consider Figo a traitor if you dont know the truth?

 

[Flavia]

Figo took some money as well the story said. Because the money came with no pay-back clause. If Florentino wasn't elected, Figo and his agent would have kept the money. If he was elected, they would have to pay back a lot. They accepted the deal becase they thought Florentino had no chance of being elected. He was elected, and the story says that Figo and his agent backed down from the deal, but there were a lot of money involved and they couldn't say no to the deal.

Not saying it's true, but as you see, there are a lot of rumors involved. Several versions to each fact. The fact is he left for Real Madrid, he is a traitor, or was disloyal. I apply the same definition to Thiago. Barca wanted him to stay, and Barca raised him. And he left for a direct european rival, for less money than he was worth, because of a silly clause in his contract.

Barça didn't want him to stay. And time showed the board to be right in not wanting him. All players are replaceable, anyway. If thiago had left to rm he'd be a traitor, but bayern? The same way Pedro is not a traitor for leaving to chelsea, or Alexis to arsenal.

 

[serghei]

Is a Neymar a traitor for moving to Barça leaving a struggling Santos behind? Is Suárez a traitor for leaving a Liverpool dependent on him and where he was loved?

This traitor thing opens a can of worms. Basically you can twist every transfer in the World and paint that player as a traitor.

Well, we can start eliminating these examples very fast. None of these players were raised by those clubs and none of those players played at a huge club in the first place. It is normal to want to move from Sevilla to Barcelona. It's not normal for a Barca great prospect to move from Barca to Bayern through a glitch in the contract.

 

[JamDav1982]

Well, we can start eliminating these examples very fast. None of these players were raised by those clubs and none of those players played at a huge club in the first place. It is normal to want to move from Sevilla to Barcelona. It's not normal for a Barca great prospect to move from Barca to Bayern through a glitch in the contract.

Neymar was raised at Santos.

Figo was not raised at Barcelona.

So that rule doesnt fit.

Surely 'loyalty' trumps all and players wouldnt move to another club if loyal?

 

[Flavia]

Well, we can start eliminating these examples very fast. None of these players were raised by those clubs and none of those players played at a huge club in the first place. It is normal to want to move from Sevilla to Barcelona. It's not normal for a Barca great prospect to move from Barca to Bayern through a glitch in the contract.

Neymar was raised by Santos. And you can say he and his father were pretty bad to santos during his transfer. Santos got almost no money, it went all to Neymar.

 

[serghei]

Neymar was raised by Santos. And you can say he and his father were pretty bad to santos during his transfer. Santos got almost no money, it went all to Neymar.

It's normal to want to move from Santos to Barcelona. It would be crazy not to want that.

 

[serghei]

Neymar was raised at Santos.

Figo was not raised at Barcelona.

So that rule doesnt fit.

Surely 'loyalty' trumps all and players wouldnt move to another club if loyal?

Figo moved from Barca to Real Madrid without Barcelona pushing him out. That's a separate rule.

 

[JamDav1982]

It's normal to want to move from Santos to Barcelona. It would be crazy not to want that.

It is normal because it is seen as career progression.....just as Thiago moving from fourth choice midfielder in a poorer team at that point is.

Thats why players move. That and money.