Rosell interview

[JamDav1982]

at this in time i maybe band but jamdav is breaking stupid, he is the very one eh says how many board members left. and we all know how different the board looked at the end, yet he insist upon saying he and rosell did everything as if laporta had the exact same team working from start to end or the club was stuck in time from the point laporta just became president.

then he either can't see are refuses to, that if x employs a and a comes to x and says i think we should do b, and it works out in the real world outside of plant jamdav, x will get the credit for employing the person that brought in b.

and everyone know laporta in the one that listen to cyruff (his man) and others with the appointment of rijkaard and pep and if he didn't sign off on it, it would never have happen since most of the board wanted Jose, but the great Joan laporta went with pep.

in jamdav world you only get credit if he went to Brazil and gave near 40m euros

so obama doesn't get credit for the killing of osama because he did shoot him, himself

and bush is free of blame because the war was a cabinet decision

Again missing the point.

Laporta gets credit for helping turn the club around and for changing the culture not because he made every decision himself as you claimed.

I asked before tell me one decision that Laporta made against the wished of the board? That is what your whole point is based on.

Also I would not act to know so much on the situation and claim people like Soriano were Laporta men when he resigned in 2008 due to Laporta.

 

[oz187]

He chose Rosell, he chose the people that put the team together. He made the crucial decisions.
Not trying to make every decision was his decision.
Becoming a strategic leader was his decision.
Listening to everyone else was his decision.
Leaving people to their areas of expertise was his decision.

 

[jamrock]

he didn't listen to the majority opinion with the hiring of pep and before you said x wanted it,,i said the majority as in no case would everyone agree or this agree on something but its widely known most wanted Jose are and established manager

or pep being and assistant or a experience coach coming in with.pep, few wanted to hand the entire team over to pep, laporta made that happen

 

[JamDav1982]

He chose Rosell, he chose the people that put the team together. He made the crucial decisions.
Not trying to make every decision was his decision.
Becoming a strategic leader was his decision.
Listening to everyone else was his decision.
Leaving people to their areas of expertise was his decision.

They were not all his decisions and his choice. If he did not act like that he would have been removed. He had no choice.

So by deciding to not take every decision he then gets credit for every decision?

That makes no sense.

 

[jamrock]

he didn't listen to the majority opinion with the hiring of pep and before you said x wanted it,,i said the majority as in no case would everyone agree or this agree on something but its widely known most wanted Jose are and established manager

or pep being and assistant or a experience coach coming in with.pep, few wanted to hand the entire team over to pep, laporta made that happen

 

[JamDav1982]

he didn't listen to the majority opinion with the hiring of pep and before you said x wanted it,,i said the majority as in no case would everyone agree or this agree on something but its widely known most wanted Jose are and established manager

or pep being and assistant or a experience coach coming in with.pep, few wanted to hand the entire team over to pep, laporta made that happen

The people who were asked by the board to interview the managerial candidates advised on Pep and not Mourinho.

It was not Laportas decision.

It was LEFT TO PEOPLE WITH THAT EXPERTISE, which is how the board by and large left specific decisions.

 

[JamDav1982]

he didn't listen to the majority opinion with the hiring of pep and before you said x wanted it,,i said the majority as in no case would everyone agree or this agree on something but its widely known most wanted Jose are and established manager

or pep being and assistant or a experience coach coming in with.pep, few wanted to hand the entire team over to pep, laporta made that happen

If you are going to try and make points at least know what you are talking about.

Pep was not chosen by Laporta and Soriano was not to run as a Laporta man in 2010.

Made up out of thin air.

 

[jamrock]

pep was laporta's man stop talking horse shit its getting annoying now the board that you love to talk about so much wanted a experience manager.

laporta,cyruff and txi went with laporta, you ask for.one and got one and can't accept it. are do you want and example where very man disagreed with laporta on something and he did it anyways and it worked out?


soriano was the consensus pick by many to carry one the laporta legacy again everyone knew this, if you liked laporta soriano was the man you wanted to run

 

[jamrock]

but lets say the people with the expertise picked pep, who picked them another group of expertise, that was choose by another group, that wad selected by the board

 

[JamDav1982]

pep was laporta's man stop talking horse shit its getting annoying now the board that you love to talk about so much wanted a experience manager.

laporta,cyruff and txi went with laporta, you ask for.one and got one and can't accept it. are do you want and example where very man disagreed with laporta on something and he did it anyways and it worked out?


soriano was the consensus pick by many to carry one the laporta legacy again everyone knew this, if you liked laporta soriano was the man you wanted to run

Laporta did not appoint Pep against the wishes of the people on the board charged with reccomending a new manager. Why did they even bother interviewing managers?

Still no examples of when Laporta made a big decision against the wishes of the board? Struggling badly.

So Soriano who resigned in 2010 due to Laporta was the one that would carry on the Laporta approach?

Wow clueless to the extreme.

 

[oz187]

So by deciding to not take every decision he then gets credit for every decision?

Yeah that's right. The people that made the decisions get their credit, but Laporta gets his credit. But it works the other way too, for example, although he gets credit for picking Rijkaard and sticking with him when things were difficult the first season, he also gets the blame for the last two failed seasons when he should have replaced him. He's the president, he's at the top of the tree, everything filters down from him.

 

[JamDav1982]

but lets say the people with the expertise picked pep, who picked them another group of expertise, that was choose by another group, that wad selected by the board

I agree Laporta helped put the board together, never denied that.

It is my point, yet you dont have the first clue about the culture the club were trying to change and think Laporta took all decisions on his own!

Get real, you come out with lie after lie.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah that's right. The people that made the decisions get their credit, but Laporta gets his credit. But it works the other way too, for example, although he gets credit for picking Rijkaard and sticking with him when things were difficult the first season, he also gets the blame for the last two failed seasons when he should have replaced him. He's the president, he's at the top of the tree, everything filters down from him.

Of course he gets credit/blame not saying that.

I am saying how the board operated and it was not down to final decisions from Laporta as some like jamrock try and make out. When he just come out with made up crap post after post.

 

[oz187]

You're missing the point. How the board operated was a decision by Laporta. Changing the culture of the club was a decision by Laporta. He could have overruled decisions by Txiki and others, he chose trust them. Whether he overruled or not, Ultimately the final decision was down to Laporta. Most of the decisions he took were correct. The credit is his. The transformation of the club on and off the pitch is a testament to his excellence as a president.

 

[JamDav1982]

You're missing the point. How the board operated was a decision by Laporta. Changing the culture of the club was a decision by Laporta. He could have overruled decisions by Txiki and others, he chose trust them. Whether he overruled or not, Ultimately the final decision was down to Laporta. Most of the decisions he took were correct. The credit is his. The transformation of the club on and off the pitch is a testament to his excellence as a president.

No the board was not operated in that way because of Laportas decision. He could not decide to operate it any other way and when he tried people started to leave.

They would have never operated that way or been elected if it had not been that set up from the start. By all means he deserves major credit in being one of the people who got all that started but it is much the decision of the others to be willing to join a board that is not led by an almost dictator figure as in the past.

It was a group decision and needed them all to agree it was the best way forward. He did not make people go along with him they had similar thoughts on it.

He could not have over ruled the board, especially when their whole campaign was based on it not being like that. It was not about him allowing them to make that decisions. His job relied upon it and if he started to act any other way he would have been out.

The transformation off the pitch was down to the whole team and the actual every day decisions were taken by people who specialised in that area and not by Laporta who could not over rule them.