Pep Guardiola

[Galning]

Just stop discussing things with people who ignore entire parts of posts to fit their arguments. It's so ridiculous just ignore them. Heck, people blaming Pep for Thiago wanting to leave in general are either really really stupid or just looking for a scapegoat. Just move on because you won't change their minds.

 

[Cruijffista]

So now opionions = facts. Got it.

Mr. Rodrigues didn't make these comments? Why is Pep defending himself from them, at an opportune time I must add.

He didn't come out publicly and ask for Thiago?

 

[JamDav1982]

Two alpha players don't work usually but Neymar complements Messi so I doubt that's the case this time. And obviously Pep would put it like this to twist the negotiation into his favor by promising that he'd be the main man at Bayern instead of secondary at Barcelona. It's a way to make moving to Bayern seem more appealing when they were so far behind in the race for him. You're saying I'm assuming what Pep thinks when clearly you're assuming the exact opposite. It's more than likely he meant it that way than the possibility of him blasting his close friend Tito, but obviously that must be true since you so easily believe it.

I am not assuming Pep thinks anything and I am going on what he has said.

He tried to sign Neymar for Barca - suggesting he has no problem with two alpha players.

You are suggesting he thinks it would not work when his words say the opposite.

 

[Cruijffista]

Just stop discussing things with people who ignore entire parts of posts to fit their arguments. It's so ridiculous just ignore them. Heck, people blaming Pep for Thiago wanting to leave in general are either really really stupid or just looking for a scapegoat. Just move on because you won't change their minds.

That's the pot calling the kettle black. People ignoring parts of posts to fit their pro-Pep agenda here. Talk about ridiculous.

I'm pro-Barcelona before anything else... that includes Pep Guardiola, Rosell, and Tito. I want what is best for the club and for it to succeed. Pep Guardiola is a big part of our history but he's not bigger than us.

 

[Cruijffista]

I am not assuming Pep thinks anything and I am going on what he has said.

He tried to sign Neymar for Barca - suggesting he has no problem with two alpha players.

You are suggesting he thinks it would not work when his words say the opposite.

Just stop discussing things with people who ignore entire parts of posts to fit their arguments.

 

[Galning]

I'm pro-Barcelona before anything else... that includes Pep Guardiola, Rosell, and Tito. I want what is best for the club and for it to succeed. Pep Guardiola is a big part of our history but he's not bigger than us.

Doesn't make sense. I'm not saying what Pep did is an okay move, it's a bit weird to say the least to bid for a player of your ex-club. But people are saying he is the reason Thiago wants to leave and that's just not true.

 

[Cruijffista]

Doesn't make sense. I'm not saying what Pep did is an okay move, it's a bit weird to say the least to bid for a player of your ex-club. But people are saying he is the reason Thiago wants to leave and that's just not true.

Most of the blame goes to management for not letting Tito know that such a stipulation existed in Thiago's contract. I never said it didn't.

The fact is Pep is still tapping up one of our players publicly. Like you just said, it's not okay.

I have more of a problem with Pep out there bad mouthing the club and Tito for his personal gain. We can get another Thiago. There's still a bright player out there named Oliver Torres who would fit us perfectly.

 

[DonAndres]

Most of the blame goes to management for not letting Tito know that such a stipulation existed in Thiago's contract. I never said it didn't.

The fact is Pep is still tapping up one of our players publicly. Like you just said, it's not okay.

I have more of a problem with Pep out there bad mouthing the club and Tito for his personal gain.

Not the most admirable of moves yet somehow reason for you to want to call the Boixos Nois on him and shun him completely from the club, saying he's a disrespectful traitor and a liar who's "true colors have been shown" by the apparently now mighty Tito and Rosell.

 

[JamDav1982]

Pep is not doing anything wrong and is looking out for his new club.

But from the perspective of what he did here and created it feels a bit sour that he is talking to a player before he has even ever told the club he wants to leave and he is trying to cut in on deals that were previously agreed upon when he was here, and now taking his problems with the club public.

 

[Garrus]

Your entire argument against me is saying that I can't guarantee word for word that Thiago was going to leave anyway regardless of Pep, when you can't guarantee the alternative either. Pep was not the reason Thiago was unhappy at Barca, it's clear as day that the saga has shown Thiago has been considering a move away. Pep didn't unsettle him initially, he didn't activate the BS clause in his contract that made the entire saga even possible, he just offered to bring in a player who in all likeliness wouldn't have remained a Barcelona player for much longer anyway. Don't bring up that utter crap of "can't guarantee that Thiago would've left" because odds are that he would have and there is far more evidence supporting that then the alternative idea that he was going to stay, but Pep the sneaky bastard took him from under our noses. Pep didn't come in specifically trying to target Barca's key players and turn against the club, if anything he was giving refuge to a player who didn't even want to play for Barcelona anymore. Is that all Pep's fault? Is it really even a sign of any slight disrespect towards the club? I mean you're going on acting like Pep stole a happy and well treated youngster from us when the club don't even care about him enough to stop this from happening in the first place. You're victimizing the club, antagonizing Pep, and then pretending to be all objective and truthful about this. If the club wanted to keep Thiago then they could've not made stupid moves that would ultimately lead to a saga like this. Pep is after a Barca player, but don't make it seem like there are no other variables and that simple sentence alone makes the club a victim and Pep a disrespectful villain.

Do you understand the concept of paying a clause?, It means taking away a player the club doesn't want to sell.
Pep knows cules like thiago and think of him as a one for a future, He knows even the players think that (Xavi and pique), It doesn't matter why he was initially unsettled, Player unsettle for all kind of reasons, But it doesn't mean definitely leaving, The last thing thiago said was "we'll see after the euros", That's it, Pep said with a clear tone:
I want thiago alcantara
He promised him time, And used his previous relationship and status at barcelona, And the fact that his brother was his agent, And payed the clause, Eventually taking away a player the club wasn't offering to sell, I can't possibly emphasize more on this point.
Here is the thing, I'm not dumb to keep arguing a guy over pep guardiola, Who has a pep guardiola avatar, I think i made my point clear on more than one occasion.

 

[Cruijffista]

Not the most admirable of moves yet somehow reason for you to want to call the Boixos Nois on him and shun him completely from the club, saying he's a disrespectful traitor and a liar who's "true colors have been shown" by the apparently now mighty Tito and Rosell.

The old school Boixos Nois doesn't exist the way it used to anyways.

For the time being, we shouldn't associate with Pep. Pep has shown his true colors by his own actions.

Rosell still has to work to do this summer, I never said he was doing a great job. Acquiring Neymar was a good step in the right direction though.

I still have my reservations about Tito too. I'm very happy to see Enrique back in Spain and close to the club with the Rafinha loan just in case we have to go another direction after this season.

 

[Galning]

Do you understand the concept of paying a clause?, It means taking away a player the club doesn't want to sell.

You do realize that they could've given him a higher clause, right? Or that they could've played him 2 more games, right? That way, the oh so shady Pep Guardiola would have to pay 90M. If Thiago leaves it won't be Guardiola's fault.
If you don't want to sell a player or if you're afraid of losing him then don't give him a freaking transfer clause of 18M FC Barcelona have given no sign towards Thiago this season that they want him. Even at the end of the season Tito just said "I pick the players who deserve to play, I don't look at contracts." And that's fine with me if you want to use that logic, I can follow Tito in his decision. He shouldn't let players play if he doesn't feel they are good enough. But then you don't have to be pissed off that a club comes along and just steals him.

 

[Cule4life]

Do you understand the concept of paying a clause?, It means taking away a player the club doesn't want to sell.
Pep knows cules like thiago and think of him as a one for a future, He knows even the players think that (Xavi and pique), It doesn't matter why he was initially unsettled, Player unsettle for all kind of reasons, But it doesn't mean definitely leaving, The last thing thiago said was "we'll see after the euros", That's it, Pep said with a clear tone:
I want thiago alcantara
He promised him time, And used his previous relationship and status at barcelona, And the fact that his brother was his agent, And payed the clause, Eventually taking away a player the club wasn't offering to sell, I can't possibly emphasize more on this point.
Here is the thing, I'm not dumb to keep arguing a guy over pep guardiola, Who has a pep guardiola avatar, I think i made my point clear on more than one occasion.

My God the horror of ignorance
If the club was not "willing to sell" as you keep blaring on, why didnt Tito play him in meaningless matches to avoid this situation in the first place and subsequently no assurances were made him by the club about his future. No that would be facing the facts which you clearly are incapable of doing

 

[JamDav1982]

You do realize that they could've given him a higher clause, right? Or that they could've played him 2 more games, right? That way, the oh so shady Pep Guardiola would have to pay 90M. If Thiago leaves it won't be Guardiola's fault.
If you don't want to sell a player or if you're afraid of losing him then don't give him a freaking transfer clause of 18M FC Barcelona have given no sign towards Thiago this season that they want him. Even at the end of the season Tito just said "I pick the players who deserve to play, I don't look at contracts." And if that's fine with me to use that logic, I can follow Tito in his decision. But then you don't have to be pissed off that a club comes along and just steals him.

They cant just give him a higher clause. He and his agent have a say in the contract and this will have been their demand no the club.

 

[JamDav1982]

My God the horror of ignorance
If the club was not "willing to sell" as you keep blaring on, why didnt Tito play him in meaningless matches to avoid this situation in the first place and subsequently no assurances were made him by the club about his future. No that would be facing the facts which you clearly are incapable of doing

Playing him in meaningless matches may have heightened the clause but it would not have kept him happy.

There is no way they could keep four players of that ability happy.