Pep Guardiola

[Temptation]

Spalletti is so underrated!

He took Udinese when they barely survived in the league, brought them into top 6 and UEFA Cup. Then into Coppa Italia Semis and CL (where he managed to have same number of points like 2. team in the Group but goal difference fucked them)! Imagine that. Outstanding!

Than with Roma was 2., won Coppas, won Supercoppas, played QF in CL, broke Records with 11 victories, Revolutionised the game, played without Attacker, had best defence in CL for a long time, ... splendid!

Now he won Serie A with weak Napoli squad, almost reaching CL Semis, ... Huge!

In my eyes he is nothing short of a Miracle maker... who do you know did stuff like these?

Fantastic coach. Not an all time great but top 10 of this generation.

 

[Daisymorr]

Why did Spalletti leave Napoli? Just getting out on a high? Or has he been told there is a mass exodus coming from the best players?

 

[bismp]

Well both can be true at the same time...Mourinho is/was better coaching the underdog (Porto, Roma or even Inter). While Pep is better at managing generation-defining super teams.

But while we can only assume what Pep would do with a limited budget, we have seen how Jose has fared coaching high-pressure teams:

mid 2000s Chelsea would be a success, despite not coming close to winning the CL (something his successors (almost) achieved -> 2008, 2012), he put Chelsea on the map, dominating the PL for 2 seasons

Inter would be a total success, dominating the Serie A and winning the CL after 50 years.

I wouldn't consider his stint at Real a success. It was not a total failure, but it was not a success either. Yes he had to compete against one of the best teams ever, but he did not achieve much. The La Liga in 2011/12 was epic, but then he lost the 2012/13 title in spectacular fashion. He failed to make it to the CL final despite being the favourite both years. And in the end, he burned all bridges with the club and left just after 3 years. It does not help that Real starting winning all the CLs directly after he left.

His 2015 Chelsea stint is controversial too. Won the 2015 PL, but did so bad in 2016, that he was sacked. This has never happened to Pep. And once again, the moment he left, the team won another PL, proving that the teams' foundation were more than good.

The last disappointment is the Man.U job, which people hail as underrated or something. He did not win a single big title and actually never even came close to one, despite coaching the biggest club in England with unlimited resources. People forget that Pep and Mourinho got their jobs in the PL around the same time, with both of their clubs kinda in the no man's land. ManU had not won the title the last 4 years, while ManC in the last 3. Both teams needed improvements, but both teams had an unlimited budget. Guess what? Pep since then has won 5 PLs in 7 years, while Jose was fired trophyless after 3 years.

 

[jamrock]

"The whole ethos of the game changed. Before 2008, there had been only one season in which the knockout stages in the Champions League yielded an average of more than three goals a game. Since then there has been only one season in which it did not Nobody has had such a profound impact on how the game is played since Michels – who, of course, via Johan Cruyff, has had a huge influence over Guardiola"..

Manchester City’s Pep Guardiola enters his third age as all-time great | Jonathan Wilson

With his status confirmed, there’s no reason Spaniard can’t surpass Carlo Ancelotti’s record of Champions League wins

www.theguardian.com

Mr Wilson putting words to his greatness.

Like he said since he 2nd season in as a coach he has been the reference in all of football as a coach, the Messi of coaches, only really competing with the all time greats because none of his peers really compare.

 

[El Gato]

How's that different from what Abramovich did for Mourinho? Rotten methods for sure, but it's not like Mourinho didn't enjoy some of the same perks.

It's just that his personality didn't allow for him to stick around for as long and then he's failed to adapt his tactics too.

Mourinho did spend 360m on players in a three year span at Chelsea. Adjusted for inflation that's around 560m.

Both of them have enjoyed the perks of being bankrolled by questionable sources. No other club in England could compare to Chelsea when Abramovich acquired them until City was acquired in 2008ish.

Again, Mourinho having one stacked team is not to do with it. Barely won things of note. Point is Pepbro found himself a cushy seat where he has huge error margin and will always be able to hit reset whenever he likes. Not the case with most managers of the present and past and should always be held against him. Not even remotely similar terms

 

[El Gato]

Matter of fact be interesting how he deals with matter at hand with another rebuild looming

Gundo and KdB not gonna get any younger and not made of steel, Foden a question mark to replace
Grealish not close to what they need from him
Akanji and Ake will sooner or later turn to memes
Mahrez be out the door soon enough
Bernardo might wake up the other side of the bed in 2 months now that won everything

He will need to spend another 300-400 within 2 windows I'd expect

 

[jamrock]

The man has gone maybe 1 season without winning a cup and probably 3 his entire career without winning the league, he doesn't need a margin for error as he always delivers.

I know zidane fluking his way to 3 CL titles will have RM fans thinking, winning in Europe is easy, but it's not.

Carlo & the likes fall down to teams like Roma & Everton because they weren't relentless winners when given the chance at big clubs.

Dude is pretty much a guarantee you'll win once he's your coach, can't say that about anyone else.

If he went to man utd and Jose to city, Jose would be fired already & pep would bring man utd back to winning the EPL.

 

[jamrock]

Matter of fact be interesting how he deals with matter at hand with another rebuild looming

Gundo and KdB not gonna get any younger and not made of steel, Foden a question mark to replace
Grealish not close to what they need from him
Akanji and Ake will sooner or later turn to memes
Mahrez be out the door soon enough
Bernardo might wake up the other side of the bed in 2 months now that won everything

He will need to spend another 300-400 within 2 windows I'd expect

And if you have another manager that kinda money they'd trash it & break under the pressure.

 

[El Gato]

Lmao jamrock acting like Pep would even touch anyone that doesn't have resources to fulfil his wet dreams allowing him to make as many errors as he wants

Getting drawn into some right dumbass statements bro

 

[jamrock]

Lmao jamrock acting like Pep would even touch anyone that doesn't have resources to fulfil his wet dreams allowing him to make as many errors as he wants

Getting drawn into some right dumbass statements bro

So basically like every other top coach who hasn't destroyed their reputation.

Gotcha 😂😂

What's dumb as acting like great coaches go around to coach teams on shoe string budgets just for the challenge 😂😂.

Stupid critique I've ever heard Phil Jackson isn't a great coach because he has Kobe & Mike.

Kerr isn't because the warriors owners are willing to pay the luxury tax to keep a stacked roster.

Retarded level of thinking re this subject matter bruv.

 

[Temptation]

So basically like every other top coach who hasn't destroyed their reputation.

Gotcha 😂😂

What's dumb as acting like great coaches go around to coach teams on shoe string budgets just for the challenge 😂😂.

Stupid critique I've ever heard Phil Jackson isn't a great coach because he has Kobe & Mike.

Kerr isn't because the warriors owners are willing to pay the luxury tax to keep a stacked roster.

Retarded level of thinking re this subject matter bruv.

Ofcourse top managers go for a challenge.


No one is asking Pep to go to Burnley. But a tougher job than City........



Klopp could have taken any job he wanted, he took the mammoth challenge of resurrecting LFC. Go take a look at the players he inherited and his net spend. There's zero evidence of Pep being able to achieve anything like that.

 

[KingLeo10]

Prime ZZ's black magic > all of the other bald frauds

 

[Temptation]

Also, why are people simply ignoring the fact that City under Pep have more than 100 accusations of cheating and unfair financial practices.


I mean we all knew City were spending unfairly but now there's concrete evidence in the public domain.


Pretty tough to overlook the fact that Pep built his team by unfair means. The definition of not being a level field. Let's hear the Pep fanboys justifying this?



And don't come back with dross replies like "Oh he still has to manage them" and "Not any manager can do what Pep has done at City"......... Yeah we know coz Pep is one of the best managers ever. Never said anyone can do what Pep does. That's not being disputed.

 

[Temptation]

Prime ZZ's black magic > all of the other bald frauds

Full marks to ZZ for self awareness.


Man knew his limits and ran away from any jobs post that.


Didn't wanna get found out.

 

[jamrock]

Ofcourse top managers go for a challenge.


No one is asking Pep to go to Burnley. But a tougher job than City........



Klopp could have taken any job he wanted, he took the mammoth challenge of resurrecting LFC. Go take a look at the players he inherited and his net spend. There's zero evidence of Pep being able to achieve anything like that.

Who are these top managers who have established themselves at the highest level that take on challenges?

Klopp wasn't in peps class when he left durtmond & went to Liverpool, pretty much all the top teams in Europe has coaches they were comfortable with at the time, with few exceptions.

He was seen as a young up and coming coach, with great potential, not what he's seen as today.

Let's see if klopp leaves Liverpool if he won't go to another big team, I bet a year's salary he will.


Pep went to city because the board room had people he has already worked with & was comfortable with, that was the big draw & what has kept him there so long.