Same here
Martin Braithwaite
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Same here
Neeraj
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Maybe not 10, but yes, I reciprocate that sentiment. Valverde was a meek puppet, riding off of Messi brilliance. Messi's finishing and FK's have been horrid since the break. Now just imagine his finishing and FK's to be at the same level as it was under Valverde (and no, Valverde has nothing to do with Messi's finishing
) and we'd be winning all the games we've played basically. Valverde was the physical manifestation of garbage, and Koeman so far has been garbage, except a GOAT-MESSIless kind of garbage.I guess it's more interesting when one team doesn't win all the domestic trophies.
What is actually Setien and Koeman soul, style...???
Using bad subs??? Yeah, that is their trademark style.
I would rather have Liga tittle over nothing.
Kul_z
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Gonna post this quite often, brilliant from bbz
El Gato
Villarato!
Age old binary argument - would you rather:
1) be able to win things while sacrificing positive energy as team wanes from the previous peak as those that delivered it age
2) not win much/anything, move on and sell those who are part of the previous established order so that you can being a new cycle?
There is no overlap. The only side that arguably ever broke through this is United and SAF did it by consistently changing the focal points of the team and keeping only the smartest and most balanced of vets (Rio, Giggs, Scholes, Neville) who weren't central to much of their success post 2005. To this day Keane is shitting on him for 'lack of loyalty' because he got binned when grew too slow, clumsy and too shite to be able to carry the armband and lead by example and SAF took the first excuse to get rid (something Madrid never did fast enough with Raul for instance). There was barely any successful overlap between the eras of Cole-Yorke, RvN+x, Ronaldo+Rooney and the final RVP+x. Constant rotation of decisive players. No chance this would happen in a team that has had Messi as the centerpiece for over a decade. A cult hero like Messi would never play Giggs to anyone, no coach has ever had to convince a football player this good to do so, the fans would not want to see that, nor has any great ever done so in the same side. This is not the NBA.
Fans think you can have cake and eat it despite the fact that no manager can ever break this up. Every manager, including Klopp etc if they somehow tripped, hit their head and decided they would have a go (which they wouldn't, because they know this to be the case), would try to incorporate them as it'd be unfair to ditch him. I've been saying from as far back as the PSG tie in 2017 that this team will never move on from looking for Messi on the field as long as he's here. Messi will not move on from trying to be involved. Neymar felt it too and left (good decision, semi questionable choice of team).
This is why for all the poor spirits it brings, it's with such benefit that Real removed Ronaldo from the top of hierarchy. We've stumbled into the era where Ramos absence is now instead the doomsday scenario, but at least the offense does not have to keep up with Ronaldo while yours (and Argentina's) still feels like they have to make use of Messi. And it will remain this way until the end.
Albeit Marcelo and Modrić are still here, they're the Giggs + Scholes in our locker room. So while performances will dip a bit every time they're preferred, we're in a different spot.
And the only thing that really holds us back from taking off long-term is shoehorning that average ass bald cunt upfront who is half the player ageing Rooney can be. Out of nepotism and loyalty.
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raedkuwait
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Agree just try him man
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