Marcus Rashford

[draconifire]

Ok, let's just drop Rashford. Will you be fine with Perisic? I don't mind either, and not fixated on one. Whichever one is cheap and doesn't cost us a lot, I am happy with.

Torres is superior CF to Rashford, there is no reason to assume he will be the one that makes Lewa get more rest.

Since 20/21 season, Rashford has 75 Goals & 36 assists with 15000 minutes, while Ferran has 60 Goals & 23 assists with 10,600 minutes. Clearly not a superior CF.
What I figured is that Ferran mostly always plays about 2400 minutes a season. Weird as hell.
Plus, Rashford had a season of 30 Goals. If you take the last season where Ferran was immense, he had 19 goals + 7 assists so 26GA, while Rashford had 11 goals + 9 assists so 20GA. Not that much of a better season, while Rashford played in two different teams.
Clearly, there is no superior CF here. Its mostly a wash.

You assume that Torres not playing more but that Rashford will get those minutes? But based on what? It seems Flick simply rate Lewa that high and count on him.

Yes, Flick rates Lewa far higher than Ferran, and that's my point. Ferran wont get that much more minutes because he isn't being rated that much. When in a thin squad, while having Ansu & Victor not playing any, he still only got 2000'.
Also my point is in 2025 Lewa, who will be 37 shouldn't be playing 3900', he should be playing around 2500', so that when March comes in he can perform. He is still our best Goal scorer, and we will need him in UCL knockouts.

If this is the case, then we should cash on Torres because he is at highest value since he joined and he won't have future here based on such assumption.

Yes, and I have been saying this countless of times, if an offer comes in we should definitely sell Ferran. He is at his highest value right now. And as a backup, any sane club should capitalise on an offer around 40m, which will help us get that Isak next summer, or a LCB this summer. Get a cheap backup like Perisic or Rashford and we are golden.

A 5 high calibre players rotation for 3 positions is enough depth, with no ifs or buts. The sixth is mostly for trash minutes and extreme injuries.

A Rashford signing points out to a sale, and I hate to be that guy, but that is likely Fermin with Raphinha getting more central minutes.

A friendly reminder: COACHES HATE BIG SQUADS

Pep have been saying this for over 15 years, and mist coaches agree, but fans fails to take notice. It limits coaches ability to improve the squad and implement their ideas on them.

I hope I am wrong with the 6th being Roony/Virgili, but I feel like they will be treated the same as Ansu/Victor. And a single injury to the front line would bring us to square one. While also Lewa being a year old.
We should have a open mind for a free option like Perisic. Lets see how the pre season goes, and then decide. But remember last season aswell, Victor played well, and fort too. And we know how things planned out.

I feel Fermin and Olmo will have similar minutes as last season. I have no worries about both of them.

Maybe coaches don't want big squad. But I am just replacing the two forwards we booting out. Happy to be wrong.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Peresic would have been perfect but he is renewing with PSV. An old fart who is playing his last year on big club and won't complain about his role

I disagree with Torres assessment, he is a player with upward trajectory, improving every year, and doing the little things needed for strikers, knowing how to make things easier for the wingers too, Rashford is the opposite.

A 6th forward is supposed to get those trash minutes anyway.

 

[Joan]

Total number of minutes doesn’t take extra time into account, too lazy for that.

Seems like Flick trusted Ferran way less than I thought. Probably just Hansi rating Lewa much higher. And not rating Ferran out wide. But nothing suggests that’s about to change. Sure, Lewa will have a smaller role, but I still expect him to be the first choice when fit.

But if Ferran isn’t rated, what makes us think Rashford is? Especially considering we’re talking about him playing centrally, which isn’t his forte. LW will be shared between Rapha and Nico, so he won’t get too many chances there.

Just another lazy comparison between Torres and Rashford.



All in all, Rashford doesn’t make much sense for us, I think. Not positionally and not quality wise. I would go with Torres over him.

Perisic is something different. Offers real depth at various positions.

 

[Joan]

Maybe coaches don't want big squad. But I am just replacing the two forwards we booting out. Happy to be wrong.

Yes, but Ansu and Pau were part of the squad on paper only. Never really trusted nor counted on and played insignificant amount of minutes. Nico will enter the rotation and we’re basically counting on minutes Lewa won’t play next year that he played this season.

Olmo and Ferran are well capable of taking that.

Rashford is too big of a burden for such a limited role. Even on loan with shared wages.

 

[jamrock]

Our team right now assuming we sign Nico and roony using the XI that ended last season as a base, ignoring injurie

TEK

Kounde... Cubarsi.... Martinez...balde.

....de jong.... Pedri

Yamal.....olmo....raph

Lewa

B team

Garcia

Garcia.... araujo.... Christensen... Martin

....... Casado....gavi

Roony...... fermin.....NICOO

Torres.

That B teams is at the very least as good as Atleti, which goes to show how shit Simoene is, that entire squad is easily top 5 in Europe and can easily win the CL and league.

 

[draconifire]

All in all, Rashford doesn’t make much sense for us, I think. Not positionally and not quality wise. I would go with Torres over him.

Perisic is something different. Offers real depth at various positions.

I would be happy with Perisic aswell. Dont really care who we get as long as they are cheap/free.
I have a bit of a bias towards Rashford, and think he would do fine. But it really doesn't matter, it's either Perisic or someone else whos free or cheap, who is good enough to play against 10th place and below teams. Ansu & Victor wasn't really that.

That's it.

 

[DonAK]

You rotate.

Might be too hard task for Flick though.

Two of those players won't be happy.

 

[Messi983]

Two of those players won't be happy.

They can leave.

 

[draconifire]

They can leave.

This is the way

 

[Joan]

I would be happy with Perisic aswell. Dont really care who we get as long as they are cheap/free.

Not that adding Rash would harm us. I'm not really invested in the outcome, but I'd much rather see us focus on defence now, given Nico comes.

A backup LB and shuffling the deck at CB with some exits and hopefully a competent LCB coming in are my biggest priorities. We miss improvements in defence like the deserts miss the rain.

Personally, I don't trust Eric either but he'll have to do.

 

[Birdy]

We don't need rashford, Torres has shown he's good as a back up 9

Lewa is going nowhere, even though I wouldn't be against it and want raphinha to to play the 9 position, but the reality is what it is.

If we sign this roony kid, just solely based of hype and YouTube clips, I've seen him kick exactly 0 balls lol, he'll make the first team

So we have

Yamal/roony....olmo/fermin.... Williams/Raph

Lewa/Torres.

Even if Rooney isn't that guy, we are still good without him, nice little spot for flicks favorite Toni Montana.

Wtf are we doing with Rashford who is worse than everyone there bar roony, to pay half of his insane wages.

No he is not.
As much as he has stepped up as a suber-sub, he is a few tiers below in football intelligence and capabilities.

Rooney kid is not gonna play for the 1st team

As for the minutes:

I am not sure BOTH Rashford and Nico are the answer, Nico alone should take over 2K minutes, closer to 2.5K even. Torres should also get more minutes, probably around 2.5M minutes too, mostly taken from Lewa. Those alone should being our starter minutes to regular numbers.

What we need is someone to take that Fati & Pau 600 minutes while being La liga level of player. Rashford is too much for that. I have high hopes for Virgili, or maybe Roony to be that guy.

Correct about the Nico minutes.
But there is a caveat: you have assumed Lewa will play the same minutes or that some of his minutes will be taken by Ferran. WRONG!
Ferran is gonna play as much as this season if not less.
Lewa is gonna play almost half (maybe less) the minutes he played, and all these are gonna be taken by Rashford

Plus, if Olmo is as injured as he was this season, Fermin or any other md (like Gavi in the advanced role) is not gonna play as much. The minutes in the AM role will be played by Raphina with someone else featuring at LW or upfront

 

[Birdy]

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Total number of minutes doesn’t take extra time into account, too lazy for that.

Seems like Flick trusted Ferran way less than I thought. Probably just Hansi rating Lewa much higher. And not rating Ferran out wide. But nothing suggests that’s about to change. Sure, Lewa will have a smaller role, but I still expect him to be the first choice when fit.

But if Ferran isn’t rated, what makes us think Rashford is? Especially considering we’re talking about him playing centrally, which isn’t his forte. LW will be shared between Rapha and Nico, so he won’t get too many chances there.

Just another lazy comparison between Torres and Rashford.

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All in all, Rashford doesn’t make much sense for us, I think. Not positionally and not quality wise. I would go with Torres over him.

Perisic is something different. Offers real depth at various positions.

All of you make many presumptions.

'Lewa will be the 1st choice when fit'
No, he will not. Hansi has requested Rashford for that reason too.

And, even without Rashford, the leaks are clear about his plans:
"Olmo as false 9 or Raphina there, with LEwa to lose prominence due to age"

 

[Birdy]

@draconifire

You assume that Torres not playing more but that Rashford will get those minutes? But based on what? It seems Flick simply rate Lewa that high and count on him.

Torres is superior CF to Rashford, there is no reason to assume he will be the one that makes Lewa get more rest.

If this is the case, then we should cash on Torres because he is at highest value since he joined and he won't have future here based on such assumption.

A 5 high calibre players rotation for 3 positions is enough depth, with no ifs or buts. The sixth is mostly for trash minutes and extreme injuries.

A Rashford signing points out to a sale, and I hate to be that guy, but that is likely Fermin with Raphinha getting more central minutes.

A friendly reminder: COACHES HATE BIG SQUADS

Pep have been saying this for over 15 years, and mist coaches agree, but fans fails to take notice. It limits coaches ability to improve the squad and implement their ideas on them.

Too many presumptions here as well

1. 'Flick rates Lewa highly and counts on him'
No, he doesn't (anymore). His thoughts about him are leaked, and even he agreed with an Arab fan on camera before the SuperCopa final that next season a striker other than Lewa should start

2. 'Torres is a superior CF to RAshford'
In what world? Torres is 2 or 3 tiers below Rashford in every attacking position.

3. 'Coaches hate big squads'
The squad will not be bigger. Viktor and Ansu are replaced with Nico and Rashford. Massive upgrade in quality and in competition for starting spots

4. ' 5 high calibre players for 3 positions is more than enough'

The economy for next season is clear in my eyes:
- 5 Tier 1 players (Lamine, RApha, Nico, Olmo, Rashford) to occupy the 4 positions for all IMPORTANT games
- 2 Supersub players (Lewa, Ferran) to come in late in the above games in certain circumstances, and to start some easier LL games
- 1 player (Fermin) to have kina of reduced role.


PS: You all should understand why Flick is demanding both Nico and Rashford:
- he wasn't happy Lamine and Rapha played ALL those minutes. He did it because he had no other choice
- he wasn't happy he could not sub Lewa for a better (and younger, more efficient in pressing) player
- he wasn't happy with Ansu and Victor being his other options

Guy wants to change that and knows what he is doing

 

[draconifire]

A backup LB and shuffling the deck at CB with some exits and hopefully a competent LCB coming in are my biggest priorities. We miss improvements in defence like the deserts miss the rain.

Personally, I don't trust Eric either but he'll have to do.

Ya an LB is a must, there is no way we are playing next season with the Accountant in the team.
And if we can sell Araujo or Christensen (preferably Araujo), then a LCB.

 

[draconifire]

All of you make many presumptions.

'Lewa will be the 1st choice when fit'
No, he will not. Hansi has requested Rashford for that reason too.

And, even without Rashford, the leaks are clear about his plans:
"Olmo as false 9 or Raphina there, with LEwa to lose prominence due to age"

Think you are presuming a bit too my man.
I haven't read anywhere that Hansi requested Rashford. He being linked to us is just a market opportunity and him twerking for us. That's why.

Lewa will still be our best goal scorer, he's the only true ST we have, yes he will have a reduced role, but he still will.