Marcus Rashford

draconifire

NTC with a Positive attitude
Fair enough. I agree he's be acceptable for rotation. But he has a big ego and will likely kick up a fuss if he isn't starting.
I think this time he knows he is not good enough to be a starter. Didn't see him kicking up a fuss when he was in Villa.
On top this is the first time he is in a team where he isn't the "best player" in the front. Think he has humbled a bit.

But lets see. Him kicking a fuss is not a big deal as he is anyway a backup player for us.
 

draconifire

NTC with a Positive attitude
Nico Williams, Raphinha, Lamine Yamal, Lewandowski, Ferran Torres, Rashford.

How do you even find the minutes?
Last season:
Raphinha - 4600 minutes
Yamal - 4500'
Lewa - 3900'
Ferran - 1900'

Whereas when you check the competition:
Barcola - 3700'
Dembele - 3200'
Kvara - 2000' + 1200'(napoli)
Doue - 3200'

Leroy - 2400'
Kane - 3700'
Olise - 3600'
Musiala - 2900'
Gnabry - 2100'

Diaz - 3300'
Salah - 4500'
Gakpo - 2600'
Nunez- 2000'

Clearly we overplayed our attacking three, because the backups are not good enough for Flick's liking. Even Ferran, who had a good season, played a lot less than any of the other teams' backup. This is one of the reasons why I want to sell him if a team comes for him.

We can easily reduce 1000-1200 minutes of each of Yamal and Raph, while Lewa should get about 2000 minutes of game time as he is old.
So that's about 4000 minutes of game time, to be managed between two players, Nico and Rashford.

Thats so easily doable, its not even a joke.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Nico-Raph-Lamine-Ferran/Rashford attack is something I really wanna see. The pace of that front 4 would be insane to watch on the counter

Yup, with Rashford not Ferran up top

That will be eye watering!!

Last season:
Raphinha - 4600 minutes
Yamal - 4500'
Lewa - 3900'
Ferran - 1900'

Whereas when you check the competition:
Barcola - 3700'
Dembele - 3200'
Kvara - 2000' + 1200'(napoli)
Doue - 3200'

Leroy - 2400'
Kane - 3700'
Olise - 3600'
Musiala - 2900'
Gnabry - 2100'

Diaz - 3300'
Salah - 4500'
Gakpo - 2600'
Nunez- 2000'

Clearly we overplayed our attacking three, because the backups are not good enough for Flick's liking. Even Ferran, who had a good season, played a lot less than any of the other teams' backup. This is one of the reasons why I want to sell him if a team comes for him.

We can easily reduce 1000-1200 minutes of each of Yamal and Raph, while Lewa should get about 2000 minutes of game time as he is old.
So that's about 4000 minutes of game time, to be managed between two players, Nico and Rashford.

Thats so easily doable, its not even a joke.

Exactly....

We ran both Rapha and Lamine to the ground, and some expect this is the norm.
We were extremely luck both were not OUT the last 4-6 weeks of the season with muscle injuries
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Yup, with Rashford not Ferran up top

That will be eye watering!!



Exactly....

We ran both Rapha and Lamine to the ground, and some expect this is the norm.
We were extremely luck both were not OUT the last 4-6 weeks of the season with muscle injuries

No one thinks it's the norm, which is why basically everyone complained about flick not rotating more in games that were already won
 

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
Last season:
Raphinha - 4600 minutes
Yamal - 4500'
Lewa - 3900'
Ferran - 1900'

Whereas when you check the competition:
Barcola - 3700'
Dembele - 3200'
Kvara - 2000' + 1200'(napoli)
Doue - 3200'

Leroy - 2400'
Kane - 3700'
Olise - 3600'
Musiala - 2900'
Gnabry - 2100'

Diaz - 3300'
Salah - 4500'
Gakpo - 2600'
Nunez- 2000'

Clearly we overplayed our attacking three, because the backups are not good enough for Flick's liking. Even Ferran, who had a good season, played a lot less than any of the other teams' backup. This is one of the reasons why I want to sell him if a team comes for him.

We can easily reduce 1000-1200 minutes of each of Yamal and Raph, while Lewa should get about 2000 minutes of game time as he is old.
So that's about 4000 minutes of game time, to be managed between two players, Nico and Rashford.

Thats so easily doable, its not even a joke.

Holy shit that's eye opening. Maybe we need the Rashford too. Those numbers are terrifying. We are insanely lucky there was no more injuries.

Signing one winger is a must. Two would be probably optimal.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
No one thinks it's the norm, which is why basically everyone complained about flick not rotating more in games that were already won

But he could not rotate the last 3 months in 'must-win' games on all fronts, when the quality of subs were shite.

That's why we are getting both Nico and Rashford.
So that this problem won't appear again
 

jamrock

Senior Member
We don't need rashford, Torres has shown he's good as a back up 9

Lewa is going nowhere, even though I wouldn't be against it and want raphinha to to play the 9 position, but the reality is what it is.

If we sign this roony kid, just solely based of hype and YouTube clips, I've seen him kick exactly 0 balls lol, he'll make the first team

So we have

Yamal/roony....olmo/fermin.... Williams/Raph

Lewa/Torres.

Even if Rooney isn't that guy, we are still good without him, nice little spot for flicks favorite Toni Montana.

Wtf are we doing with Rashford who is worse than everyone there bar roony, to pay half of his insane wages.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Last season:
Raphinha - 4600 minutes
Yamal - 4500'
Lewa - 3900'
Ferran - 1900'

Whereas when you check the competition:
Barcola - 3700'
Dembele - 3200'
Kvara - 2000' + 1200'(napoli)
Doue - 3200'

Leroy - 2400'
Kane - 3700'
Olise - 3600'
Musiala - 2900'
Gnabry - 2100'

Diaz - 3300'
Salah - 4500'
Gakpo - 2600'
Nunez- 2000'

Clearly we overplayed our attacking three, because the backups are not good enough for Flick's liking. Even Ferran, who had a good season, played a lot less than any of the other teams' backup. This is one of the reasons why I want to sell him if a team comes for him.

We can easily reduce 1000-1200 minutes of each of Yamal and Raph, while Lewa should get about 2000 minutes of game time as he is old.
So that's about 4000 minutes of game time, to be managed between two players, Nico and Rashford.

Thats so easily doable, its not even a joke.

What was the total minutes available for each team?
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
What was the total minutes available for each team?

Sorry to QUOTE myself, but I did some digging.


Barca played 60 games with 2 overtime played. 5460 minutes available.



PSG played 61 games, iirc no extr time played. 5520 minutes available. (They played CL playoffs).

Bayern 54, no extra time played. 4860 minutes available.

Liverpool 56 games, one extra time played. 5070 minutes available.

Personally, I don't expect same number of minutes to be available next year, but I hope I an wrong. But there is no way to get less minutes than PSG or Bayern. Super cup are 1 game, no 2 leg cup semifinals, 34 games league. That is 6 less games per season.

I am not sure BOTH Rashford and Nico are the answer, Nico alone should take over 2K minutes, closer to 2.5K even. Torres should also get more minutes, probably around 2.5M minutes too, mostly taken from Lewa. Those alone should being our starter minutes to regular numbers.

What we need is someone to take that Fati & Pau 600 minutes while being La liga level of player. Rashford is too much for that. I have high hopes for Virgili, or maybe Roony to be that guy.
 

draconifire

NTC with a Positive attitude
Sorry to QUOTE myself, but I did some digging.


Barca played 60 games with 2 overtime played. 5460 minutes available.



PSG played 61 games, iirc no extr time played. 5520 minutes available. (They played CL playoffs).

Bayern 54, no extra time played. 4860 minutes available.

Liverpool 56 games, one extra time played. 5070 minutes available.

Personally, I don't expect same number of minutes to be available next year, but I hope I an wrong. But there is no way to get less minutes than PSG or Bayern. Super cup are 1 game, no 2 leg cup semifinals, 34 games league. That is 6 less games per season.

I am not sure BOTH Rashford and Nico are the answer, Nico alone should take over 2K minutes, closer to 2.5K even. Torres should also get more minutes, probably around 2.5M minutes too, mostly taken from Lewa. Those alone should being our starter minutes to regular numbers.

What we need is someone to take that Fati & Pau 600 minutes while being La liga level of player. Rashford is too much for that. I have high hopes for Virgili, or maybe Roony to be that guy.
I expect us to play similar minutes. We will be competing on all fronts, and if we are good, we should at least expect a UCL semi finals and most finals. LaLiga should be competitive aswell, seeing Real is reinforcing crazy. Similar can be said for ATM.

I don't mind us getting Virgili or Roony, but I feel like it will be a similar situation like Ansu and Victor. And if one of Raph or Yamal gets injured we are again in square one like last season.
Rooney is coming out of an ACL into a new league. I really don't expect him to be part of our team, and Virgili hasn't played a single game with us. I really don't like us relying on them this season, maybe 2026, but not this one. Now if they are able to easily take in the pressure and perform, I am happy to be wrong here. But I really don't think that will be the case in 2025.

Getting Perisic or Rashford (on LOAN) is because they are an option to us and are going to be cheap. There is no drawback, just upsides to this. It never hurts to have players on the bench.

According to my previous calculations, I think a player like Raphinha and Yamal should get about 3200-3500 minutes. Keeps them fresh and also match-ready. So that alone gives 2200+ minutes to Nico. So we have that sorted.
I don't think Flick will give too many more minutes to Ferran, keep in mind we had a thin front line and he was performing well, and he still got fewer minutes than most other teams' 4th forward players. Last part of the season showed us he is not good enough to play as the main striker for us, gets easily bullied by better CBs in top level teams.
Lewa should have a reduced role. It shouldn't even be a debate. Guy played 3900 minutes, it should not be more than 2500' this season. We can easily distribute that 1400' between Perisic/Rashford and Ferran. Add the 600'+ of Ansu & Victor and you can easily get about 1500' for Rashford/Perisic.

I think this is a reasonable assessment. It would give us cheap depth that can enable us to go deep in the UCL. Look at how effortless it was for PSG at the end, one of the reason is because they had fresh legs.
If we want to win UCL we need to have depth of OK quality, there's no ifs or buts. I am not asking for signing that are expensive. Heck, I am more ecstatic if we don't buy Nico, but get Rashford and Perisic for Loan/Free. Best decision. What I want is good enough players to replace both of Ansu and Victor.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Honestly PSG only had a 4 man rotation up front after they signed Krava, guys like Ramos and Lee didn't much time

Having two top players for every position really isn't a thing.

You need enough to keep the players competing and actively playing, which is what replace fati and Pau with Torres gives us.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
@draconifire

You assume that Torres not playing more but that Rashford will get those minutes? But based on what? It seems Flick simply rate Lewa that high and count on him.

Torres is superior CF to Rashford, there is no reason to assume he will be the one that makes Lewa get more rest.

If this is the case, then we should cash on Torres because he is at highest value since he joined and he won't have future here based on such assumption.

A 5 high calibre players rotation for 3 positions is enough depth, with no ifs or buts. The sixth is mostly for trash minutes and extreme injuries.

A Rashford signing points out to a sale, and I hate to be that guy, but that is likely Fermin with Raphinha getting more central minutes.

A friendly reminder: COACHES HATE BIG SQUADS

Pep have been saying this for over 15 years, and mist coaches agree, but fans fails to take notice. It limits coaches ability to improve the squad and implement their ideas on them.
 

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