Respekt_III
Anti-everything
Ignore him he's delusional. Just check out his posting history.
Luis Suárez
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Ignore him he's delusional. Just check out his posting history.
Potroh
New member
Got no time for checks like that. I rather watch again some nice games under Lucho...
Potroh
New member
There's one question related to Suarez, but it is not a question about Suarez.
How many single goalscorers does a team need? That is the question.
No, not players who are capable to score occasionally, but a typical goalscorer, who has no other major task in the team. One or two?
Go and have a look at the CL statistics (3 yrs) related and you will see that Messi leads by 17 goals, Own-Goal comes by 7, Suarez and Dembele 4-4 goals.
So who is the goalscorer? Messi is, hope nobody will question that.
So does the team need ANOTHER goalscorer? At all?
Another goalscorer, who:
- Who is a legend but performs like the shadow on his own memory.
- Who is statistically not at all good scoring clear chances. He needs many of those.
- Who can't really run anymore, can't solve other situations but static ones.
- Who can hardly offer any defensive work.
- Who shouts and gesticulates all the time, frightens younger players but fails to handle the simplest passes.
There is NO right winger, because that is Messi's territory, park, recreational facility, he likes to start from there.
There is NO left winger, because Griezmann is not a winger, almost plays like a midfielder with considerable defensive contributions.
Sum these ingredients up and you will see the present Barca attack sucks, because the team actually plays with 10 players. Not joking, starts each and every game with a considerable disadvantage of missing someone in front.
Why? Because a team in contemporary fast and physically demanding form, simply can't afford to have TWO mere goalscorers.
If Messi is the REAL goalscorer, he needs to be served by another attacker, who's task is to serve him well.
So Suarez's service is not needed anymore? Yes it is, against weaker opponents in the league. But not in CL games anymore, that you simply cannot start with one player less.
Is this Messi's fault that his known adhering to his best friend makes it impossible to make the necessary changes? No. He would and will still play and play well, if a coach decides to change the formation. He is a pro.
Is it Valverde's fault?
Absolutely and most definitely it is. He is the boss, the decision maker, so he should see all these factors, specially if you and me can also clearly see those.
1. Valverde doesn't see these things. Good reason to sack him.
2. Valverde knows this, but scared of changes. Even more reason to sack him.
3. Valverde is hesitant, because Suarez is capable of scoring nice goals time to time.
If that is the case, he accepts constantly playing with 10 players, which would be an even heavier cause to sack him.
Had the ridiculously clueless Valverde played a front three last night of Dembele/Griezmann/Messi, Barca would have won this game by 3 or 4 goals. That is the reality.
How many single goalscorers does a team need? That is the question.
No, not players who are capable to score occasionally, but a typical goalscorer, who has no other major task in the team. One or two?
Go and have a look at the CL statistics (3 yrs) related and you will see that Messi leads by 17 goals, Own-Goal comes by 7, Suarez and Dembele 4-4 goals.
So who is the goalscorer? Messi is, hope nobody will question that.
So does the team need ANOTHER goalscorer? At all?
Another goalscorer, who:
- Who is a legend but performs like the shadow on his own memory.
- Who is statistically not at all good scoring clear chances. He needs many of those.
- Who can't really run anymore, can't solve other situations but static ones.
- Who can hardly offer any defensive work.
- Who shouts and gesticulates all the time, frightens younger players but fails to handle the simplest passes.
There is NO right winger, because that is Messi's territory, park, recreational facility, he likes to start from there.
There is NO left winger, because Griezmann is not a winger, almost plays like a midfielder with considerable defensive contributions.
Sum these ingredients up and you will see the present Barca attack sucks, because the team actually plays with 10 players. Not joking, starts each and every game with a considerable disadvantage of missing someone in front.
Why? Because a team in contemporary fast and physically demanding form, simply can't afford to have TWO mere goalscorers.
If Messi is the REAL goalscorer, he needs to be served by another attacker, who's task is to serve him well.
So Suarez's service is not needed anymore? Yes it is, against weaker opponents in the league. But not in CL games anymore, that you simply cannot start with one player less.
Is this Messi's fault that his known adhering to his best friend makes it impossible to make the necessary changes? No. He would and will still play and play well, if a coach decides to change the formation. He is a pro.
Is it Valverde's fault?
Absolutely and most definitely it is. He is the boss, the decision maker, so he should see all these factors, specially if you and me can also clearly see those.
1. Valverde doesn't see these things. Good reason to sack him.
2. Valverde knows this, but scared of changes. Even more reason to sack him.
3. Valverde is hesitant, because Suarez is capable of scoring nice goals time to time.
If that is the case, he accepts constantly playing with 10 players, which would be an even heavier cause to sack him.
Had the ridiculously clueless Valverde played a front three last night of Dembele/Griezmann/Messi, Barca would have won this game by 3 or 4 goals. That is the reality.
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
Agree with everything, but it doesn't even have to be Dembele, could be fati or perez. We need actual wingers with pace.
JohnN
Senior Member
How are people still saying that Griezmann can't score as much as Suarez?
What an amazing standard Suarez must have set for missed chances and bad passes that Griezmann wouldn't be able to match..
How on earth isn't Griezmann the CF with Dembele as a LW for this team and Suarez as a super sub?
Is this too hard to comprehend?
What an amazing standard Suarez must have set for missed chances and bad passes that Griezmann wouldn't be able to match..
How on earth isn't Griezmann the CF with Dembele as a LW for this team and Suarez as a super sub?
Is this too hard to comprehend?
God Serena
New member
Suarez is just a symptom of our much larger issue of Valverde being our manager, who himself is a symptom of a truly incompetent board.
Any manager with a brain would have benched Suarez by now, which is specifically the reason we have Valverde as a manager, and Suarez is not benched.
Nothing we can do but cry.
Any manager with a brain would have benched Suarez by now, which is specifically the reason we have Valverde as a manager, and Suarez is not benched.
Nothing we can do but cry.
The Observer
New member
Second most decisive player in the team by a distance.
8 goals in his last 10 games, gave Barca 6 of the 7 points in the CL with his goals (brace Inter, winner yesterday).
Creates bucketloads of chances with his movement. Despite missing many, his movement is what creates the chances in the first place.
1 goal away from Samitier's record, 10 goals away from Kubala's to become Barca top 3 goalscorer of all time. If he stays next season he'll break Cesar's as well and become top 2 goalscorer after Messi. Fitting for the best striker partnership in the club's history.
8 goals in his last 10 games, gave Barca 6 of the 7 points in the CL with his goals (brace Inter, winner yesterday).
Creates bucketloads of chances with his movement. Despite missing many, his movement is what creates the chances in the first place.
1 goal away from Samitier's record, 10 goals away from Kubala's to become Barca top 3 goalscorer of all time. If he stays next season he'll break Cesar's as well and become top 2 goalscorer after Messi. Fitting for the best striker partnership in the club's history.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
Winner yesterday??? Messi scored and the other was an own goal buddy.
xXKonan
Senior Member
I'm pretty much done with stats when it comes to him.
The idea of playing him because of the chance he can score a banger out of his ass even despite playing like shit 99% of the time is ridiculous. What use is there to play him in the CL games these days, defenders have his number and he's mostly rolling on the floor and bitching to his teammates.
Dude is only a passable league striker these days and that's it. You could stick Pique up at the 9 spot in the CL and would probably be far more effective than Suarez.
The idea of playing him because of the chance he can score a banger out of his ass even despite playing like shit 99% of the time is ridiculous. What use is there to play him in the CL games these days, defenders have his number and he's mostly rolling on the floor and bitching to his teammates.
Dude is only a passable league striker these days and that's it. You could stick Pique up at the 9 spot in the CL and would probably be far more effective than Suarez.
Griezmann has never been known as a great goalscorer and when he played the number 9 role earlier this season he look like Messi false 9 type going further away from the goal than he should. With Messi as RW, we need a player with pressence in the box and Suarez has that.
The only thing is that he needs to get his minutes managed.
The only thing is that he needs to get his minutes managed.
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