Ligue 1

[Gnidrologist]

Lying will do you no good, creep.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Lying will do you no good, creep.

Armenia became the first Christian kingdom in 301CE, followed by Axum(Ethiopia) around 330CE, which maintained a Christian monarchy for roughly 1,600 years— the longest continuous Christian state in history, lasting until 1975.

The first western nation to adopt Christianity was Ireland around 450CE.

 

[Gnidrologist]

So why do you hate Christians and white people so much? The only reason you, black people, actually can live in well ordered civilization, is white Christians taking you under their wing. There's a reason why non-white/non-christian people are flocking to Western states all over, but never the reverse.

 

[Jair Ventura]

So why do you hate Christians and white people so much? The only reason you, black people, actually can live in well ordered civilization, is white Christians taking you under their wing. There's a reason why non-white/non-christian people are flocking to Western states all over, but never the reverse.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to? You’re on a forum dedicated to a Spanish football club. Thus, you should be well aware that Europe was largely civilized by the Amazigh, African Muslims from the Maghreb known during the European Middle Ages as the Moors, who ruled in the Iberian Peninsula from 711-1492. Not only did they lay the foundations for Christian Spain (established between 1469-1516 CE), but also the wider European Renaissance, through the introduction of mathematics (Algebra, Arabic word), classical philosophy (translated classical Greek philosophy into Latin for wider consumption amongst European clergy), university systems, regular bathing, central plumbing, etc.

The Moorish presence in Spain was contemporaneous with the Viking incursions upon northern Europe—the contrast between these two groups’ civilizing features was stark. Islamic Iberia possessed state institutions, universities, libraries, hospitals, taxation systems, public sanitation, and monumental architecture while Viking polities were mostly isolated to raids and runes. Mind you, proto-writing systems didn’t emerge in northern and Eastern Europe until the 6th century BCE (Celts) and 2nd century CE (Germanics) respectively, was derivative of Mediterranean and/or Christian script, while literacy did not become widespread until well after the Middle Ages. In contrast to Africa, one of the cradles of civilization, where writing was developed independently and literacy has been widespread for millennia.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Come on on man. We wuz kangz, but now suddenly we all dropped to the level of monkeys over night.
Do you also believe in black kang Yakub?

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Lens leading the table lol

would be nice if Lens and Marseille keep their level so PSG cant rest more than the other top teams (except Bayern ofc) for knockout stage

 

[Jair Ventura]

Come on on man. We wuz kangz, but now suddenly we all dropped to the level of monkeys over night.
Do you also believe in black kang Yakub?

From the “Wes wuz Romanz!” folks?

I believe the collapsing west has you crashing out. I’d worry less about black kangz, Yakub, and other fetishes and more about those negative fertility rates.

 

[ajnotkeith]

I’m not sure what you’re referring to? You’re on a forum dedicated to a Spanish football club. Thus, you should be well aware that Europe was largely civilized by the Amazigh, African Muslims from the Maghreb known during the European Middle Ages as the Moors, who ruled in the Iberian Peninsula from 711-1492.

Already by the 1200s almost all of al-Andalus had been recaptured by Christian armies, your history is not the most accurate here.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Lens leading the table lol

would be nice if Lens and Marseille keep their level so PSG cant rest more than the other top teams (except Bayern ofc) for knockout stage

Bruh, La Liga is as poor as it’s been in decades. Villarreal is dominating domestically yet can’t win a UCL match. Focus on that.

 

[ToranagaSama]

The foundations of "Christian Spain" were not laid by the Moors. The Reconquista kingdoms (Asturias, León, Castile, Aragon, Portugal) emerged in opposition to Muslim rule and consciously defined themselves against it.

Europe was also not "largely civilized by Amazigh". There were other cultural centers than Islamic Spain such as Byzantium, Carolingian/Ottonian realms, Italy.

Algebra/mathematics had little to do with African Muslims. Indians, Greeks, Babylonians, ancient Egyptians were the main founders.

India: Decimal system, 0, early Algebra.
Babylonia: Astronomy, calculation methods.
Ancient Egypt: Medicine and geometry.
Greece: Logic, philosophy.

Al-Chwarizmi, who is supposedly the "founder of Algebra", wrote it all down, spread the word and added ideas but didn't really invent anything on his own. "Arabic numerals" are actually Indian numerals. The Arabs themselves called it "ḥisāb al-hindī". The Arabs spread it though.

More importantly, all these "Muslim inventions" date predominantly to the 8th and 9th centuries when Islam just started to spread and wasn't even fully established yet. After that, there is a gap of 1000 years of absolutely nothing. "Muslims invented this and that in the 8th century", ironically, is testament to the fact that once Islam fully established itself all progress and inventions stopped coming out of the Arab world.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Already by the 1200s almost all of al-Andalus had been recaptured by Christian armies, your history is not the most accurate here.

They didn’t leave the Iberian Peninsula until 1492. 1200 is 250 years before the formation of Spain.

 

[Jair Ventura]

The foundations of "Christian Spain" were not laid by the Moors. The Reconquista kingdoms (Asturias, León, Castile, Aragon, Portugal) emerged in opposition to Muslim rule and consciously defined themselves against it.

Europe was also not "largely civilized by Amazigh". There were other cultural centers than Islamic Spain such as Byzantium, Carolingian/Ottonian realms, Italy.

Algebra/mathematics had little to do with African Muslims. Indians, Greeks, Babylonians, ancient Egyptians were the main founders.

India: Decimal system, 0, early Algebra.
Babylonia: Astronomy, calculation methods.
Ancient Egypt: Medicine and geometry.
Greece: Logic, philosophy.

Al-Chwarizmi, who is supposedly the "founder of Algebra", wrote it all down, spread the word and added ideas but didn't really invent anything on his own. "Arabic numerals" are actually Indian numerals. The Arabs themselves called it "ḥisāb al-hindī". The Arabs spread it though.

More importantly, all these "Muslim inventions" date predominantly to the 8th and 9th centuries when Islam just started to spread and wasn't even fully established yet. After that, there is a gap of 1000 years of absolutely nothing. "Muslims invented this and that in the 8th century", ironically, is testament to the fact that once Islam fully established itself all progress and inventions stopped coming out of the Arab world.

A.I. slop

 

[Barcaman]

I’m not sure what you’re referring to? You’re on a forum dedicated to a Spanish football club. Thus, you should be well aware that Europe was largely civilized by the Amazigh, African Muslims from the Maghreb known during the European Middle Ages as the Moors, who ruled in the Iberian Peninsula from 711-1492. Not only did they lay the foundations for Christian Spain (established between 1469-1516 CE), but also the wider European Renaissance, through the introduction of mathematics (Algebra, Arabic word), classical philosophy (translated classical Greek philosophy into Latin for wider consumption amongst European clergy), university systems, regular bathing, central plumbing, etc.

The Moorish presence in Spain was contemporaneous with the Viking incursions upon northern Europe—the contrast between these two groups’ civilizing features was stark. Islamic Iberia possessed state institutions, universities, libraries, hospitals, taxation systems, public sanitation, and monumental architecture while Viking polities were mostly isolated to raids and runes. Mind you, proto-writing systems didn’t emerge in northern and Eastern Europe until the 6th century BCE (Celts) and 2nd century CE (Germanics) respectively, was derivative of Mediterranean and/or Christian script, while literacy did not become widespread until well after the Middle Ages. In contrast to Africa, one of the cradles of civilization, where writing was developed independently and literacy has been widespread for millennia.

You are an absolute idiot. There was a Gothic Christian kingdom in Iberian peninsula before Muslim African invaders came. Won't even comment on other nonsense you picked up from some jihadi group.
Fuck off to Qatar forum and I better not see you spouting more of your drivel.

 

[ajnotkeith]

They didn’t leave the Iberian Peninsula until 1492. 1200 is 250 years before the formation of Spain.

At that point the only Muslim territory left is Granada, and they were a vassal to Castile (Catholic kingdom).

The Emirate of Granada continued to exist until 1492 though, yes, but after 1230-1240 this was the only Muslim state left in the Iberian Peninsula and they were under some degree of control by the Christians.

Most of the territory had been lost in the 12th and 13th century, and unified Muslim rule fell apart in the 11th century after the collapse of the Ummayads. So the main reference for the Islamic rule in Spain would be between 700-1100 or so, but after that Iberia was split into various kingdoms and states.

 

[ToranagaSama]

A.I. slop

I take that as conceding defeat. Why would you need AI to figure out that Arabic numerals originate from India and not the Muslim world, you literally learn it in first grade lmao. But maybe you also believe that French fries originate from France, Panama Hats come from Panama and Guinea Pigs originate from Guinea.