Lautaro Martinez

[Messigician]

What does that mean?

That he is South American and this is why we are buying him?
Or that he resembles of Barca DNA?

About Barca DNA forwards, Martinez is Pep's DNA forward, not Barca's DNA.
In 90s and 00s, our Fcs were R9, Kluivert, Giovanni, Rivaldo, Dani, Etoo, Larsson.
All of them were 180-195 cm tall and more like a good, old NO9s.
The only different type of forward was Saviola and he was an ultimate shit and we had the worst period in this century when we had that type of a CF.
We moved to mobile forwards during Pep, but it is hard to tell whether mobile forwards work at all, or they worked only because we had Messi who was covering everyone's ass and all tactical flaws.

So: if your comment was that Lautaro is Barca's type of a forward.
No, he is not.
He is Pep's type of a forward.
Pep was Barca's coach for 4 years. He has his own ideas. Barca's ideas over 120 years were somewhat different.

If your comment was about a culture, that Lautaro is from a South America.
Well, outside of Messi, who came here as a kid and who was a different case, our success with Argentinian players is mostly bad.
Argentinians were always the best at Inter Milan and somewhat at Real Madrid.
Barca always had the most success with Brasilians, Dutch and Spanish players.

A list of Argentinian players at Barca in this century:
Messi, a different case since he came as a kid to La Masia
Mascherano, a success
CF Saviola, horrible
CAM Riquelme, horrible fit, sold after 1 season
LB Sorin, stayed one season on a loan, played 15 la liga matches
CF Maxi Lopez. Lol. No comment needed.
CB Gabriel Milito. Forever injured.
GK Bonano. Probably among top3 worst GKs whom we ever had.

And we could add a mighty Tata Martino as a coach, who was totally lost in the end.

So, if we don't count Messi, out of 8 Argentinians who were connected with our club in this century, we have only Masch as a success and 7 horror stories.

Does Lautaro still sound as a culturally fitting?

Good points tbh

 

[mc_lovin]

What does that mean?

That he is South American and this is why we are buying him?
Or that he resembles of Barca DNA?

About Barca DNA forwards, Martinez is Pep's DNA forward, not Barca's DNA.
In 90s and 00s, our Fcs were R9, Kluivert, Giovanni, Rivaldo, Dani, Etoo, Larsson.
All of them were 180-195 cm tall and more like a good, old NO9s.
The only different type of forward was Saviola and he was an ultimate shit and we had the worst period in this century when we had that type of a CF.
We moved to mobile forwards during Pep, but it is hard to tell whether mobile forwards work at all, or they worked only because we had Messi who was covering everyone's ass and all tactical flaws.

So: if your comment was that Lautaro is Barca's type of a forward.
No, he is not.
He is Pep's type of a forward.
Pep was Barca's coach for 4 years. He has his own ideas. Barca's ideas over 120 years were somewhat different.

If your comment was about a culture, that Lautaro is from a South America.
Well, outside of Messi, who came here as a kid and who was a different case, our success with Argentinian players is mostly bad.
Argentinians were always the best at Inter Milan and somewhat at Real Madrid.
Barca always had the most success with Brasilians, Dutch and Spanish players.

A list of Argentinian players at Barca in this century:
Messi, a different case since he came as a kid to La Masia
Mascherano, a success
CF Saviola, horrible
CAM Riquelme, horrible fit, sold after 1 season
LB Sorin, stayed one season on a loan, played 15 la liga matches
CF Maxi Lopez. Lol. No comment needed.
CB Gabriel Milito. Forever injured.
GK Bonano. Probably among top3 worst GKs whom we ever had.

And we could add a mighty Tata Martino as a coach, who was totally lost in the end.

So, if we don't count Messi, out of 8 Argentinians who were connected with our club in this century, we have only Masch as a success and 7 horror stories.

Does Lautaro still sound as a culturally fitting?

I dont think its necessary to pin down South American players to Brazil, Argentina etc pp. Or how does Luis Suarez fit your agenda? There are players who are easy to imagine in Barcelona colours and others who are not - thats all. I cant picture Harry Kane here for example - fish out of water. Or Haaland. Lautaro would have no problem to adapt to the team, language and so on.

And I couldnt give a damn about "Barca DNA". The only people who are obsessed by it are guys like you and hardcore cules. I am neither. I just want the best players here, who are good fits as well. Young Aguero would have been spectacular for us for example (whos as tall as Martinez) - and Argentinean. Shocker.

Lautaro lacked consistency (going by stats in Serie A, I havent watched every Inter game), but if he can do what he did in the CL consistently hes golden and the logical first choice.

But I am realistic enough that we shouldnt get him at any price.

 

[LABarcaFan]

Barca Blaugranes (SBNation) by Gill Clark - 5 May , 2020

Tuesday front pages bring news that Barcelona are closing in om a deal for Lautaro Martinez. SPORT have Martinez on their front page with a report Barca are close to agreeing a deal of 60 m. plus 2 players. One of them is A.Vidal and the other one has to be decided soon.

 

[LABarcaFan]

You're definitely right about the lack of young world class strikers these days, it's the reason why inter are able to demand 111m. Even at this price there are other teams like Man city, man u and psg interested in him. I just don't want us to spend 100m on another player, if he flops, we would have spent 500m on failed transfers with dembele, coutinho, griez and lautaro

Yap. That will be too big of a bite to swallow. More than 500 M. to drain down the sink.

it's all rumors at this point but man does everyone fucks with us nowadays

Of course. All big clubs in Europe know about the ongoing investigation for corruption in Barcelona and that is the reason they are trying to **** us.

 

[LABarcaFan]

What does that mean?

That he is South American and this is why we are buying him?
Or that he resembles of Barca DNA?

About Barca DNA forwards, Martinez is Pep's DNA forward, not Barca's DNA.
In 90s and 00s, our Fcs were R9, Kluivert, Giovanni, Rivaldo, Dani, Etoo, Larsson.
All of them were 180-195 cm tall and more like a good, old NO9s.
The only different type of forward was Saviola and he was an ultimate shit and we had the worst period in this century when we had that type of a CF.
We moved to mobile forwards during Pep, but it is hard to tell whether mobile forwards work at all, or they worked only because we had Messi who was covering everyone's ass and all tactical flaws.

So: if your comment was that Lautaro is Barca's type of a forward.
No, he is not.
He is Pep's type of a forward.
Pep was Barca's coach for 4 years. He has his own ideas. Barca's ideas over 120 years were somewhat different.

If your comment was about a culture, that Lautaro is from a South America.
Well, outside of Messi, who came here as a kid and who was a different case, our success with Argentinian players is mostly bad.
Argentinians were always the best at Inter Milan and somewhat at Real Madrid.
Barca always had the most success with Brasilians, Dutch and Spanish players.

A list of Argentinian players at Barca in this century:
Messi, a different case since he came as a kid to La Masia
Mascherano, a success
CF Saviola, horrible
CAM Riquelme, horrible fit, sold after 1 season
LB Sorin, stayed one season on a loan, played 15 la liga matches
CF Maxi Lopez. Lol. No comment needed.
CB Gabriel Milito. Forever injured.
GK Bonano. Probably among top3 worst GKs whom we ever had.

And we could add a mighty Tata Martino as a coach, who was totally lost in the end.

So, if we don't count Messi, out of 8 Argentinians who were connected with our club in this century, we have only Masch as a success and 7 horror stories.

Does Lautaro still sound as a culturally fitting?

I take off my hat for this comment. It can be said any better. Alleluia.

 

[JamDav1982]

BBZ - Larsson was not over 180cm and conveniently leave out the likes of Messi, Romario, Stoitchkov etc who were not either.

There is nothing in the idea 'Argentina players fail'.

You decide something that try to find 'facts' to back it up.

Martinez may not be good enough but none of the arguments based on height or nationality hold any water.

He could arrive and score 40 goals and CL and still you will find some long winded reason for him being a failure.

Sorin played half a season at Barca not a whole season and Milito despite injuries was not horror story either.

 

[Messigician]

BBZ - Larsson was not over 180cm and conveniently leave out the likes of Messi, Romario, Stoitchkov etc who were not either.

There is nothing in the idea 'Argentina players fail'.

You decide something that try to find 'facts' to back it up.

Martinez may not be good enough but none of the arguments based on height or nationality hold any water.

He could arrive and score 40 goals and CL and still you will find some long winded reason for him being a failure.

Sorin played half a season at Barca not a whole season and Milito despite injuries was not horror story either.

Stoichkov was built like a tank tho

 

[JamDav1982]

Stoichkov was built like a tank tho

What relevance does that have to the point BBZ was making about height?

Martinez is a strong no9 that can hold it up well.

This idea of a 'Pep No.9'... what does that even mean? Pep has had all types of no9s in his teams.

 

[khaled_a_d]

About Barca DNA forwards, Martinez is Pep's DNA forward, not Barca's DNA.

He isn't.
Barca DNA striker means ability to pass the ball, exchange positions, play well with your back to goal. Either that or put Messi as striker.
Eto/Henry/Villa all did that very well, Ibra failed in that and was sold, not because he was tall but because he blocked flow of the game and didn't move his ass outside of the center.

I don't know what mc_lovin means by culturally fitting, probably being latin American who is native Spanish speaker and already successful in Europe. Not playing style

 

[LABarcaFan]

You're definitely right about the lack of young world class strikers these days, it's the reason why inter are able to demand 111m. Even at this price there are other teams like Man city, man u and psg interested in him. I just don't want us to spend 100m on another player, if he flops, we would have spent 500m on failed transfers with dembele, coutinho, griez and lautaro

Lack of young world class strikers?

Compared to the Lautaro's stats there are several good options for Barcelona at a lot lower price. Just take a look.

Lautaro Martinez - 22 matches - 12 goals - 3 assists - 7 yellow cards - 2 red cards ( 111 m. )

Timo Werner - 25 matches - 21 goals - 7 assists ( 80 m.)

Mousa Dembele - 27 matches - 16 goals - 2 assists ( 50 m.)

Maxi Gomes - 22 matches - 8 goals - 3 assists ( 40 m.)

Chimy Avila - 20 matches - 9 goals - 3 assists ( 13 m.) He has suffered a crucial ligament injury to his right knee back in January and is out since then.

The problem with Lautaro is not only his release clase amount but his salary as well. In the new contract, Inter has offered him 4 mil. per year

The board seem obsessed with this transfer. I like him but 111m is way too much. If the board wants a player with his profile we should buy chimy Avila. He's scheduled to be back from injury around July and has a similar build, work rate and goals to games ratio. He's also low risk with release clause of 25m, probably why the board doesn't want him

All of the names I am mentioning above are low risk profiles. If anyone of them signed and did not work well for us, we can easily sell them without any problem.

 

[Donatello]

What relevance does that have to the point BBZ was making about height?

Martinez is a strong no9 that can hold it up well.

This idea of a 'Pep No.9'... what does that even mean? Pep has had all types of no9s in his teams.

So you're saying we should break the bank and sign him?

No, he isn't that good even if we take your points into consideration.

Also, people don't realise Lautaro is 22 and this is his first big season. He plays with another striker in Lukaku (who actually plays in the poisition Lautaro is supposed to play at Barca). His passing isn't that great as many people expect, he is strong but still gets dispossed a lot. On top of that he costs near 100M. It has red flags all over it. If he had a price around 60M, it would've made sense, but no way for 100M.

The best course of action would be to wait one more season, by then we'd have a better idea between him, Haaland & maybe some new relevation. Also, we're already getting Trincao and we already have too many attackers. We have enough depth for next season regardless of signing any attacker. And our financials are not in the very best state either.

 

[Donatello]

Lack of young world class strikers?

Compared to the Lautaro's stats there are several good options for Barcelona at a lot lower price. Just take a look.

Lautaro Martinez - 22 matches - 12 goals - 3 assists - 7 yellow cards - 2 red cards ( 111 m. )

Timo Werner - 25 matches - 21 goals - 7 assists ( 80 m.)

Mousa Dembele - 27 matches - 16 goals - 2 assists ( 50 m.)

Maxi Gomes - 22 matches - 8 goals - 3 assists ( 40 m.)

Chimy Avila - 20 matches - 9 goals - 3 assists ( 13 m.) He has suffered a crucial ligament injury to his right knee back in January and is out since then.

The problem with Lautaro is not only his release clase amount but his salary as well. In the new contract, Inter has offered him 4 mil. per year



All of the names I am mentioning above are low risk profiles. If anyone of them signed and did not work well for us, we can easily sell them without any problem.

You forgot about Haaland.

 

[JamDav1982]

So you're saying we should break the bank and sign him?

No, he isn't that good even if we take your points into consideration.

Also, people don't realise Lautaro is 22 and this is his first big season. He plays with another striker in Lukaku (who actually plays in the poisition Lautaro is supposed to play at Barca). His passing isn't that great as many people expect, he is strong but still gets dispossed a lot. On top of that he costs near 100M. It has red flags all over it. If he had a price around 60M, it would've made sense, but no way for 100M.

The best course of action would be to wait one more season, by then we'd have a better idea between him, Haaland & maybe some new relevation. Also, we're already getting Trincao and we already have too many attackers. We have enough depth for next season regardless of signing any attacker. And our financials are not in the very best state either.

Are you making things up to argue against?

Done with this conversation. Try reading what was said.

 

[malvolio]

Good points tbh

Good points my ass.

Other than Saviola who was a midget and Riquelme who was a dying breed in modern foitball(classic 10), we mostly knew what to expect from those players.
It's not as if we got Di Maria, Higuain, Cambiasso and they were all shite.

For sure he is a better fit culturally because he would be in an environment that he is used to. With players that speak his language and have the same habits/values.

That is a thing that might not work for Werner or Haaland(and with raiola as manager we don't stand a chance anyway).

Dembele, Avila or Gomes are just 2nd tier players.

 

[LABarcaFan]

What relevance does that have to the point BBZ was making about height?

Martinez is a strong no9 that can hold it up well.

This idea of a 'Pep No.9'... what does that even mean? Pep has had all types of no9s in his teams.

Do you really don't understand what BBZ is trying to tell you? Pep's tiki-taka system is over and you have to understand that once for ever. Even if Xavi take over as a coach this summer, he wouldn't have the players needed for that kind of system. That was miracle for us to have a generation of very talented La Masia products playing at the same time. But that is in the past already. Barca has to turn to more modern and faster system. We have to move on. We can not continue leaving in that dream of Pep's Barcelona.And because of fans like you ( thanks God you are not that many ) I would prefer to have Ronald Koeman or Eric ten Hag as a coach, than Xavi. Both of them will implant something new in Barcelona. A new system, more modern style with dynamic fast overflow from one line to another.Same as Johan Cruyff did when he took over as a head-coach. Besides Subisareta and Guardiola, his main players were Stoichkov, R.Koeman and Laudrupp,with totally different style of play. That was the time when Barcelona finally dominated the Europe and won its first Champions League trophy.

And if you are trying to ignore the FACTS that BBZ has brought, then it is just trolling from your side.

Something else. Have you watched any full game of Inter with Lautaro and Lukaku ? Lukaku is their CF and top scorer. Lautaro plays as a second striker. He is not true striker, so we can not be sure how he will implant himself to our system, when Messi plays as a second striker. Does that make sense?