malvolio
Senior Member
Other big clubs(bar PSG of course) are not playing in two horse race leagues.
Joan Laporta
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malvolio
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I don't understand this deal at all. Why stoop so low for not much money really? I'm sure we could have found 2-3 other sponsors to get that amount.
serghei
Senior Member
Don't give a shite. Our rival for the title is the biggest club in the world. Bigger competition than any other club faces, in any league.
malvolio
Senior Member
And we are paupers, scraping by for a living.
serghei
Senior Member
No, we are top 2 clubs in the world. La Liga has the biggest 2 clubs in the world fighting for the title every season.
Not surprising it is a showdown between Barca and Madrid. These two probably have close to 20 BDors wins between them.
Not the most balanced league, but the one with the biggest 2 powerhouses. You still have to beat a superteam to win it 9 times out of 10. Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1, no match. EPL is close.
malvolio
Senior Member
If we Real and Barca are the biggest two, than it means one having a bad season automatically means the other will win the league. Which already happens.
So two horse league, which means guaranteed trophies for those two teams.
serghei
Senior Member
But how do you have a bad season if the league is crap? If Madrid having a bad season is enough for them to lose points vs weaker teams, maybe you need to revisit your rating of thos sides.
If a great club like Barcelona or Madrid get beaten often by other Spanish clubs, and the best or close is required for them to beat those sides, most likely case is you underrate the difficulty of La Liga.
malvolio
Senior Member
I'm not saying the league is absolute crap. But it has fallen behind and if you take away the two giants, there isn't much difference between it and current Serie A.
Anyway the topic of discussion wasn't how much competitive is LL outside Real-Barca. The problem is that these two teams don't really fear anything in this league. Apart from not winning it, there isn't any challenge for them. So, winning this league can't be seen as some great achievement by Laporta. Yeah, it is great, but not a miracle like you try to portray it.
Anyway the topic of discussion wasn't how much competitive is LL outside Real-Barca. The problem is that these two teams don't really fear anything in this league. Apart from not winning it, there isn't any challenge for them. So, winning this league can't be seen as some great achievement by Laporta. Yeah, it is great, but not a miracle like you try to portray it.
malvolio
Senior Member
So what you are implying is that the league makes the two giants better? Not the fact that these are basically two state backed clubs that have spent throughout their history on par with oil clubs and have billion dollar squads.
serghei
Senior Member
I don't care that much about the whys. If Nadal was born in Afghanistan he wouldn't have achieved anything in tennis. So what?
Excellence in sports is often tied to the hisorically relevant nations. Former empires so to speak. Of course latin football nations in South America are gonna have a connection to Barca and Madrid. They are part of the same family. Spanish and Portuguese is the official language in most. Climate is similar, culture as well. The reasons why Madrid and Barcelona are as big as they are are mostly historical.
jamrock
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😂 😂 😂
So basically what I'm hearing from Mal, with another point that makes little sense, is: if you aren't playing in the EPL, then it doesn't matter if you win the league title.
let's drill into that a bit.
PSG plays in France, enough said.
Bayern in Germany, enough said.
So that leaves Spain, Italy, and England.
By his own admission, Serie A is shit, so if we were there and winning, it wouldn't count either, and team's winning doesn't matter because the league is shit.
So we are left with EPL and La Liga.
One league has seen three different league champions in the last five seasons; one has not. I'll leave everyone to guess which is which.
We then drill a bit deeper to see the results of Spanish teams versus EPL teams in Europe up and down the table, not just the CL; results speak for themselves there as well, over a number of years too, so the sample size isn't small.
We now drill down into the EPL itself, and we find that one team has won the league four years in a row, and a few of those years, its biggest competition was a team named ARSENAL.
Now, this is not to say La Liga is better than EPL.
But if your main point about winning La Liga is competition and the lack of difficulty in winning the league when compared to other BIG TEAMS.
unless the EPL is the only league with big teams, and even if that's your belief, the facts show the competitiveness at the top to win league titles is, in fact, less competitive than La Liga.
So what we then find, is that anyone who writes a statement that winning la Liga isn't that impressive, is just factually a retarded person.
I didn't even need to include the context of how we have managed two league titles in 3 years, because that would then just make the argument too easy.
So again we are left with laporta haters, having a bag of criticism that contains he's fat and he lies
So basically what I'm hearing from Mal, with another point that makes little sense, is: if you aren't playing in the EPL, then it doesn't matter if you win the league title.
let's drill into that a bit.
PSG plays in France, enough said.
Bayern in Germany, enough said.
So that leaves Spain, Italy, and England.
By his own admission, Serie A is shit, so if we were there and winning, it wouldn't count either, and team's winning doesn't matter because the league is shit.
So we are left with EPL and La Liga.
One league has seen three different league champions in the last five seasons; one has not. I'll leave everyone to guess which is which.
We then drill a bit deeper to see the results of Spanish teams versus EPL teams in Europe up and down the table, not just the CL; results speak for themselves there as well, over a number of years too, so the sample size isn't small.
We now drill down into the EPL itself, and we find that one team has won the league four years in a row, and a few of those years, its biggest competition was a team named ARSENAL.
Now, this is not to say La Liga is better than EPL.
But if your main point about winning La Liga is competition and the lack of difficulty in winning the league when compared to other BIG TEAMS.
unless the EPL is the only league with big teams, and even if that's your belief, the facts show the competitiveness at the top to win league titles is, in fact, less competitive than La Liga.
So what we then find, is that anyone who writes a statement that winning la Liga isn't that impressive, is just factually a retarded person.
I didn't even need to include the context of how we have managed two league titles in 3 years, because that would then just make the argument too easy.
So again we are left with laporta haters, having a bag of criticism that contains he's fat and he lies
serghei
Senior Member
This EPL dominance over La Liga will be full on when English teams at the top will regularly beat similar Spanish sides. Last season Arsenal did beat Madrid. But City lost badly. Barcelona is an unknown, haven't played EPL sides in CL in quite a while.
If Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico face EPL sides, we will see the difference again. This is the most relevant metric. Best in each league facing each other in CL.
If Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico face EPL sides, we will see the difference again. This is the most relevant metric. Best in each league facing each other in CL.
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