Hans-Dieter Flick

[Temptation]

So what?
How does this prove Raphina is (or was at Leeds) world class?

You have trouble with basic argumentation it seems

Raphinha at Leeds wasn't close to World Class. He was their best player and very good though. That's why big clubs wanted him (apart from the fact that he was a good left footed winger which is not that common today).

Infact Raphinha under Xavi wasn't close to World Class either. Many Barca fans wanted him sold before Flick arrived.

Last season was Raphinha's first World Class season. This is a fact.

This is a very popular and widely accepted opinion. He wasn't one of the best wingers in the world before last season.

 

[Birdy]

The point is Olise played with better players than Raphinha did.

Olise played in a shit team under a shit manager, and his WC potential still shone so much that made Bayern pay 70m for him.

Simple as that

Olise is not world class even now lol.

Dude, stop embarrassing yourself.
It is clear you don't watch any football other than Barca.
Refrain from judging

 

[Birdy]

Many Barca fans wanted him sold before Flick arrived.

90% in here.
But they now 'forgot' to push their simplistic narratives

 

[Temptation]

@Temptation, Olise is not world class even now lol.

Neither was world class in their EPL days, just good players ready for a bigger challenge, that is all.

Who said Olise was World Class at Palace?

He showed World Class potential. That's because of his incredible natural ability.

I disagree. Currently he's World Class at Bayern. He's incredibly talented and productive.

 

[serghei]

Who said Olise was World Class at Palace?

He showed World Class potential. That's because of his incredible natural ability.

I disagree. Currently he's World Class at Bayern. He's incredibly talented and productive.

That's completely bullshit. World class potential . The fuck does that even mean?

Let's see him in CL. Didn't he play for Bayern vs us when Raphinha scored a hattrick?

He needs to do more. Very good player.

 

[Temptation]

The point is Olise played with better players than Raphinha did.

And has/had more natural talent and ability. It's pretty obvious when you watch him play.

But Raphinha is a physical beast who's exceptionally hardworking.

 

[Temptation]

World class potential

Doue is World Class Potential. Estevao is World Class Potential.

Garnacho was just a promising youngster with good potential. So is Mainoo.

That's the difference.

 

[Birdy]

That's completely bullshit. World class potential . The fuck does that even mean?

Let me explain it to you with a good example

Frenkie De Jong at Ajax showed world-class potential.

But he never lived up to it at Barca.

The opposites of what the likes of Oliseh and Isak did

 

[serghei]

And has/had more natural talent and ability. It's pretty obvious when you watch him play.

But Raphinha is a physical beast who's exceptionally hardworking.

So? Physical beasts who offer end product and have exceptional workrate sounds like a pretty rare combination.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

Some look at this performance and question Don Hansi's managerial ability. I look at it, and it makes me appreciate him even more.

Our defenders and goalkeepers ( bar Joan Garcia ) range from okay to pretty damn bad. Yet, last season Herr Flick managed to dominate La Liga, pick up a domestic treble and smack Madrid 6 times with their referees doing their best to help them. ALL WITH THAT DEFENSE AND GOALKEEPER.

Name me any other manager in the world who would even come close to doing that with the defenders and goalkeepers we had on board last season? When you factor in that he was seconds away from reaching our first UCL final in 10 years and that we were by far the most entertaining team to watch in the world, Don Hansi was by a country mile the best coach in Europe last season.

If we are being realistic, any other manager in Europe would have us competing with Atleti for 2nd place. We don't really have any business competing for any of the trophies but with Flick doing most of the heavy lifting we are competing for them all.

I know football fans have very short memories, but some people really need to be careful what they wish for.

 

[serghei]

M

Let me explain it to you with a good example

Frenkie De Jong at Ajax showed world-class potential.

But he never lived up to it at Barca.

The opposites of what the likes of Oliseh and Isak did

Ah, I see, you are speaking about natural talent. And presenting it as world class potential.

 

[Temptation]

So? Physical beasts who offer end product and have exceptional workrate sounds like a pretty rare combination.

Ofcourse. Who denied that?

I said Raphinha is one of your most important players 5 minutes back?

I have always defended him on the forum?

 

[Birdy]

But both Olise and Eze were better for Palace than Raphinha was for Leeds. Won't even talk about Isak who was simply and objectively world class at all aspects of the game at Newcastle. Their technical ability was levels above.

Really elementary knowledge to anyone having even occasionally watching EPL the last 5 years
Yet, we have opinionated dudes here, who never watch EPL, and wanna have opinions about Raphina's level at Leeds

 

[Temptation]

M

Ah, I see, you are speaking about natural talent. And presenting it as world class potential.

That is literally what World Class Potential is bro

 

[Birdy]

M

Ah, I see, you are speaking about natural talent. And presenting it as world class potential.

No, it's more than that.
There is a huge % of footballers out there who have just natural talent.

This is your last card?
You pretend you don't understand what world class potential is, so that you don't formally receive your L?