Hans-Dieter Flick

[Birdy]

The exact same line he uses for olsie, showed good potential for a big club to buy him, then he became WC at bayern

Is literally raphinha, except raphinha did 3 very good seasons before his WC season.

1 at Leeds, 2 at Barca

I said Olise and ISak showed world-class potential at Palace and Sociedad, not just good potential

Raphina showed nothing close to that at Leeds. Was merely a good player

 

[jamrock]

Now you are out and out lying?

Nah you said you mainly saw highlights of PSG, and watched their big games in the CL.

6-8 game max that would be, which is why you were so wrong about them in the CL Final, but that's another debate.

So now tell us how you've seen this kid play x number of games, did you data give and come to the conclusion he's better than balde

 

[serghei]

Palace is 3rd now without Olise. You can't compare Palace with Leeds. Different level teams. Raphinha was great enough for Leeds for big teams to be after him. Tells you all you need to know.

Bielsa loved him to bits. You can see why. When you have the mentality of Raphinha, you are destined to be a top player. It's just a question of getting a chance at a big club.

 

[Birdy]

Okay birdy on a island, raphinha sucked and isn't world class, smh.

Weighed and found wanting as tends to be the case.

Again for the N-th time, until you get it right into your simple-minded head:

Raphina is a SYSTEM player, not a player that shines in any environment.
Raphina was meh at best under Xavi.
Look at his thread before summer 2023.
Only Serghei and a couple of others defending him because of goal contributions, and almost everyone agreed he was not the winger to lead Barca's frontline

Then Hansi came in, realized what kind of player he is, removed him from the touchline, made him essentially an inside forward, and unlocked his full potential

That's the story of Raphina, and anything different is merely a biased distorion of reality from people wanting to push narratives

 

[jamrock]

I said Olise and ISak showed world-class potential at Palace and Sociedad, not just good potential

Raphina showed nothing close to that at Leeds. Was merely a good player

 

[Birdy]

Palace is 3rd now without Olise. You can't compare Palace with Leeds. Different level teams. Raphinha was great enough for Leeds for big teams to be after him. Tells you all you need to know.

Bielsa loved him to bits. You can see why. When you have the mentality of Raphinha, you are destined to be a top player. It's just a question of getting a chance at a big club.

Dude you don't even know the facts, and you want people to take you seriously?

Palace is different since Glasner took over.
Oliseh left well before that.

 

[serghei]

Dude you don't even know the facts, and you want people to take you seriously?

Palace is different since Glasner took over.
Oliseh left well before that.

Still a better team than Leeds by a long way. Leeds was relegation fodder.

 

[Birdy]

Nah you said you mainly saw highlights of PSG, and watched their big games in the CL.

6-8 game max that would be, which is why you were so wrong about them in the CL Final, but that's another debate.

So now tell us how you've seen this kid play x number of games, did you data give and come to the conclusion he's better than balde

Another lie to push your agenda.

I said I watched all big games of PSG the last 2 seasons in CL: against Milan Newvastle, Dortmund in 23/24
against the likes of ARsenal, Bayern, City in the league phase last season, let alone all the KOs apart from Brest

I watched some highlights occasionally from Ligue 1 games, which I never watch.
Simple as that

 

[jamrock]

Isak showed WC potential to make Newcastle move for him? 😂

Because surely if he's world class it's what he's gone at Newcastle since he's played less than 5 games for Liverpool.

Smh

 

[jamrock]

Arsenal
Chelsea
Barca

The teams that were trying to sign Raphinha, it's a Sunday I'm chilling at home, funny watching birdy trying to fill holes in his logic

 

[Birdy]

Still a better team than Leeds by a long way. Leeds was relegation fodder.

Still not as better as your implied by writing 'Palace are 3rd'

Palace had (the last few years) wonderful players like Oliseh, Guehi, Eze, Mateta, Wharton, and others, whose potential was underutilized before Glasner by clowns such as Hogson

Before Glasner Palace were in the 14th-18th position tier of EPL.
Leeds were in the next lower tier 18th - 22nd

What you are trying to prove is merely unfounded

 

[Birdy]

Arsenal
Chelsea
Barca

The teams that were trying to sign Raphinha, it's a Sunday I'm chilling at home, funny watching birdy trying to fill holes in his logic

So what?
How does this prove Raphina is (or was at Leeds) world class?

You have trouble with basic argumentation it seems

AGAIN:
world-class players deliver world-class performances at any context and environment, like Yamal and Pedri do for us.

Raphina does not belong to this tier, because he is a system player. Top player, but system-dependent

The fact that he is our 3rd best player does not make his world-class

 

[Temptation]

Raphinha was never close to World Class before last season.

He was just a very good player. Not a single person called him World Class before last season.

He was Leeds' best player and a left footed winger (which is much rarer than right footed wingers) which is why Barca and Arsenal wanted him.

But both Olise and Eze were better for Palace than Raphinha was for Leeds. Won't even talk about Isak who was simply and objectively world class at all aspects of the game at Newcastle. Their technical ability was levels above.

Raphinha was a beast physically with good ball striking ability but no one predicted him to do what he did last season. No one. The reason Raphinha wasn't rated as a world class talent before last season is because he's a winger who can't really dribble.

After last season, you have to say Raphinha is world class unless he doesn't repeat his form this season in which case it would just be a crazy purple patch season.

Regardless, Raphinha is now one of Barca's most important players easily.

 

[serghei]

Still not as better as your implied by writing 'Palace are 3rd'

Palace had (the last few years) wonderful players like Oliseh, Guehi, Eze, Mateta, Wharton, and others, whose potential was underutilized before Glasner by clowns such as Hogson

Before Glasner Palace were in the 14th-18th position tier of EPL.
Leeds were in the next lower tier 18th - 22nd

What you are trying to prove is merely unfounded

The point is Olise played with better players than Raphinha did.

 

[serghei]

@Temptation, Olise is not world class even now lol.

Neither was world class in their EPL days, just good players ready for a bigger challenge, that is all.

Olise found it at Bayern, Raphinha found it at Barcelona. And Isak at Liverpool for that matter.