Hans-Dieter Flick

[Messigician]

Flick so lame 0 aura

 

[draconifire]

Nice little tactical analysis on us.
More stats-heavy than tactics-heavy, but I like the way it was represented.

 

[MonteCuler]

Still too many games in training @Birdy you need to be on top of this.

This is not how, we get war ready

War ready in pre season?

Efficiency of training is last thing we should worry about under Flick

 

[serghei]

Nice little tactical analysis on us.
More stats-heavy than tactics-heavy, but I like the way it was represented.

Sounds like Flick ball all right. Throw the sink at them and hope for the best.

 

[draconifire]

Sounds like Flick ball all right. Throw the sink at them and hope for the best.

This is the way. LOL

 

[serghei]

If he could harness a bit from our natural Barca-trained possession retention skills while still sticking to his style for 95% of the time... he'd be the perfect manager for us. Alas... I came to terms that he'll not do it. Ever.

We could have passed that Inter side with ease in the last minutes if he had that missing piece.

 

[Horatio]

Maybe with Barca possession retention skill we would not have made it even to half final.

 

[MonteCuler]

He is the perfect manager at this moment. I don't know of anybody else on who I can count would make such immediate impact. Project managers like Motta would maybe do something but it would take them 6-7 years, and several hundreds of milions, to do it.

 

[serghei]

He is the right manager, since we don't really have a stellar side on all positions. If we had a better side, other managers like Pep or Lucho (others too) would be considerably better.

Raphinha for example, but also old Lewa, if you don't use this type of style, their output goes down. They are not really suited for a more controlled setup. Not gifted enough in the case of Raphinha, and too old and slow in the case of Lewa.

 

[zanela]

He is the right manager, since we don't really have a stellar side on all positions. If we had a better side, other managers like Pep or Lucho (others too) would be considerably better.

You are saying if Barca had a better side (by that I suppose you mean more technical players), Flick would have fared considerably worse than Pep or LE? How do you know that in such certain terms?

 

[serghei]

You are saying if Barca had a better side (by that I suppose you mean more technical players), Flick would have fared considerably worse than Pep or LE? How do you know that in such certain terms?

Because of Flick's issues in defense. They'd probably win just the same, as Flick did with Bayern give or take, but let's not kid ourselves. If you'd put Pep's Barca vs a Flick side it would be easy work for the first. Provided both had the same players at their disposal.

Just that bit better at passing for Pep's side to make pressing of Flick side ineffective and from there, it's good night with the huge spaces Flick team leaves behind. Pep's side by comparison employed various defensive tactics, not just press and pray.

Flick could change some things next season, but I think what we saw is it, that's his plan, there's no extra dimension to his defensive structure.

 

[jamrock]

Maybe with Barca possession retention skill we would not have made it even to half final.

It's what won us all our finals, for city and PSG a treble.

it could get us there lol.

I agree with serg, if he adds a bit of controlled possession it would take us over the top

 

[serghei]

Not with this side though. We take a more controlled approach our attack drops its productivity. With attacks of the past though, you'd be a fool to play super risky at the back all the time when they had so much quality on the ball to score plenty of goals either way.

Pretty much similar to how PSG didn't need to open themselves up at the back to dump five on Inter.

 

[zanela]

Because of Flick's issues in defense. They'd probably win just the same, as Flick did with Bayern give or take, but let's not kid ourselves. If you'd put Pep's Barca vs a Flick side it would be easy work for the first. Provided both had the same players at their disposal.

Just that bit better at passing for Pep's side to make pressing of Flick side ineffective and from there, it's good night with the huge spaces Flick team leaves behind. Pep's side by comparison employed various defensive tactics, not just press and pray.

Flick could change some things next season, but I think what we saw is it, that's his plan, there's no extra dimension to his defensive structure.

To start with Flick has so far managed hybrid teams, so there's no way to know if he'd remain stubborn or if he would adapt his tactical approach with a highly technical side. Any manager worth his salt should know how to get the best out of his squad.

Secondly, the high defensive line isn't even an issue if you execute your primary attacking play efficiently. I don’t remember Barca losing any high-profile game last season because of the defensive structure, it was mostly due to individual errors. Barca could certainly do with a pacy CB who can read the game well.

The rationale behind Flick’s aggressive attacking play is to give the team enough goal-scoring opportunities - that if clinical will keep them competitive regardless of setbacks. It’s why Barca made 9 comebacks last season. You forego control and space at the back for greater chance creation. It’s a tactical trade-off, but one that has paid Barca dividends. Sure, in high stake games, it might not always be successful, but its due to poor execution/individual errors rather than the tactics per se.

 

[serghei]

I know it's a trade-off, but will there be a time under Flick when a trade-off is no longer going to be necessary? Probably not. He is always gonna push the risk to the max imo.

That being said, with a fast CB things would improve at putting out those fires at the back that his system causes. Before they burn us.