Gini Wijnaldum

[malvolio]

Yeah............you're clearly clueless about football.

Go cry some more on losing Wijnaldum. Your description of him pretty mutch resonates to what I've said - a player that thrives in a certain system with players fit for purpose.
We don't have your mates Trent and Robbo. We don't have Klopp.
We got burned in the same manner with Coutinho and Griezzman.
Another thing to consider - Liverpool is not Barcelona. We got Vidal who was shit for us, just because he is poor in passing and reading of the game.
Not throwing garbage on Wijnaldum here, but we shouldn't get players of his age for big money and 3 year contracts.

 

[Respekt_III]

Yeah, Thiago would definitely be an upgrade since Lpool has players who will run 100x up and down the field. He is definitely a batter player than Wijnaldum but their playing style is not even comparable. Other Lpool midfielders will play defense as they usually do and no one will expect that Thiago has to be a workhorse for them. On the other side we have Pjanic who paired with Thiago would expose our defenders as much as it gets.

People just can't understand that two good players sometimes just don't fit together. A world class team needs to have a good balance and Fdj-Thiago-Pjanic midfield is anything but well balanced. I am not happy that we bought Pjanic but since we did, we now need one fast and physical player who has much better work rate than Thiago. Koeman is well aware of that so I am 100% sure Thiago is not even an option for him unless he doesn't count on Pjanic at all.

I agree somewhat but that midfield could easily retain the ball control the tempo of the game and play the required through balls, We'd be a much harder team to press and would have much more success in our counters. This formation does leave us exposed on counters, but i don't think having gini playing in a more forward position alleviates that issue either.

 

[serghei]

Lol, all players thrive in certain situations and are not as great in others. There is no such thing as the perfect player in every scenario. Wijnaldum and Thiago are comparable quality wise. It's just that one does better than the other in certain areas of the game. In some aspects, Thiago is better (play-making, dictating the tempo, passing from deeper areas), in others Wijnaldum is better (goals, quickness in counter attacking situations, directness in transition phases). One is a box to box player with an attacking edge, and one is more of a central midfielder to even deep lying playmaker.

For us, we have De Jong who is supposed to be the one we will build our midfield around in terms of orchestrating the play from deep. And, with that in mind, Wijnaldum seems to be the better fit. Koeman, IIRC used De Jong at Nederlands in a similar way to how Thiago was used at Bayern.

It made sense to go after Thiago if we didn't sign Pjanic. But we did sign Pjanic, so now we need someone who can penetrate in transition phases and arrive in dangerous positions to provide end product - especially goals.

I want a midfielder who can bag double digit goals. 10-11 goals a season. Or close to that. While being an asset in overall game situation as well (defending, pressing etc.). Gini is that man.

 

[Raketa10]

Lol, all players thrive in certain situations and are not as great in others. There is no such thing as the perfect player in every scenario. Wijnaldum and Thiago are comparable quality wise. It's just that one does better than the other in certain areas of the game. In some aspects, Thiago is better (play-making, dictating the tempo, passing from deeper areas), in others Wijnaldum is better (goals, quickness in counter attacking situations, directness in transition phases). One is a box to box player with an attacking edge, and one is more of a central midfielder to even deep lying playmaker.

For us, we have De Jong who is supposed to be the one we will build our midfield around in terms of orchestrating the play from deep. And, with that in mind, Wijnaldum seems to be the better fit. Koeman, IIRC used De Jong at Nederlands in a similar way to how Thiago was used at Bayern.

It made sense to go after Thiago if we didn't sign Pjanic. But we did sign Pjanic, so now we need someone who can penetrate in transition phases and arrive in dangerous positions to provide end product - especially goals.

I want a midfielder who can bag double digit goals. 10-11 goals a season. Or close to that. While being an asset in overall game situation as well (defending, pressing etc.). Gini is that man.

Spot on!

 

[Barcilliant]

Lol, all players thrive in certain situations and are not as great in others. There is no such thing as the perfect player in every scenario. Wijnaldum and Thiago are comparable quality wise. It's just that one does better than the other in certain areas of the game. In some aspects, Thiago is better (play-making, dictating the tempo, passing from deeper areas), in others Wijnaldum is better (goals, quickness in counter attacking situations, directness in transition phases). One is a box to box player with an attacking edge, and one is more of a central midfielder to even deep lying playmaker.

For us, we have De Jong who is supposed to be the one we will build our midfield around in terms of orchestrating the play from deep. And, with that in mind, Wijnaldum seems to be the better fit. Koeman, IIRC used De Jong at Nederlands in a similar way to how Thiago was used at Bayern.

It made sense to go after Thiago if we didn't sign Pjanic. But we did sign Pjanic, so now we need someone who can penetrate in transition phases and arrive in dangerous positions to provide end product - especially goals.

I want a midfielder who can bag double digit goals. 10-11 goals a season. Or close to that. While being an asset in overall game situation as well (defending, pressing etc.). Gini is that man.

Well said

 

[Qqqq]

Lol, all players thrive in certain situations and are not as great in others. There is no such thing as the perfect player in every scenario. Wijnaldum and Thiago are comparable quality wise. It's just that one does better than the other in certain areas of the game. In some aspects, Thiago is better (play-making, dictating the tempo, passing from deeper areas), in others Wijnaldum is better (goals, quickness in counter attacking situations, directness in transition phases). One is a box to box player with an attacking edge, and one is more of a central midfielder to even deep lying playmaker.

For us, we have De Jong who is supposed to be the one we will build our midfield around in terms of orchestrating the play from deep. And, with that in mind, Wijnaldum seems to be the better fit. Koeman, IIRC used De Jong at Nederlands in a similar way to how Thiago was used at Bayern.

It made sense to go after Thiago if we didn't sign Pjanic. But we did sign Pjanic, so now we need someone who can penetrate in transition phases and arrive in dangerous positions to provide end product - especially goals.

I want a midfielder who can bag double digit goals. 10-11 goals a season. Or close to that. While being an asset in overall game situation as well (defending, pressing etc.). Gini is that man.

He isn't though.

This season he scored 4 goals and made 0 assists in 37 Premier League games.
In 2018-19, he bagged 3 goals and also 0 assists in 35 Premier League games.
In 2017-18, 1 goal and 2 assists in 33 Premier League games.

I'm not saying he's awful by any means, but if you're asking for goals and assists, Gini definitely isn't your man.

 

[JamDav1982]

He isn't though.

This season he scored 4 goals and made 0 assists in 37 Premier League games.
In 2018-19, he bagged 3 goals and also 0 assists in 35 Premier League games.
In 2017-18, 1 goal and 2 assists in 33 Premier League games.

I'm not saying he's awful by any means, but if you're asking for goals and assists, Gini definitely isn't your man.

At Liverpool a lot of his role is to protect full backs and front three more than to get goals/assists.

In 2016/17 before the front three and full backs stepped up to be focus of team he scored 6 and assisted 11.

In 2015/16 with relegated Newcastle he scored 11 and assisted 5.

 

[Messigician]

Lol, all players thrive in certain situations and are not as great in others. There is no such thing as the perfect player in every scenario. Wijnaldum and Thiago are comparable quality wise. It's just that one does better than the other in certain areas of the game. In some aspects, Thiago is better (play-making, dictating the tempo, passing from deeper areas), in others Wijnaldum is better (goals, quickness in counter attacking situations, directness in transition phases). One is a box to box player with an attacking edge, and one is more of a central midfielder to even deep lying playmaker.

For us, we have De Jong who is supposed to be the one we will build our midfield around in terms of orchestrating the play from deep. And, with that in mind, Wijnaldum seems to be the better fit. Koeman, IIRC used De Jong at Nederlands in a similar way to how Thiago was used at Bayern.

It made sense to go after Thiago if we didn't sign Pjanic. But we did sign Pjanic, so now we need someone who can penetrate in transition phases and arrive in dangerous positions to provide end product - especially goals.

I want a midfielder who can bag double digit goals. 10-11 goals a season. Or close to that. While being an asset in overall game situation as well (defending, pressing etc.). Gini is that man.

Gini and double figures? deluded

 

[Qqqq]

Granted, he's had better seasons. And I certainly hope he can reach those numbers again, but I can't say I'm utterly convinced. The 15/16 season is a long time ago, and knowing Bar?a; he'll spend a whole lot of time covering for Messi.

 

[jairzinho]

Gini is a box to box player. He has never been a goal scoring midfielder or creator and there has never been an expectation of him to be that player at Pool. He is more a functional player like the rest of them that Klopp has there, like Milner and Henderson.

He has crazy work rate and will make runs into the box, get in on the end of crosses, defend and press like hell. Basically the type of midfielder Klopp loves to have in his gegenpressing scheme.

 

[serghei]

He isn't though.

This season he scored 4 goals and made 0 assists in 37 Premier League games.
In 2018-19, he bagged 3 goals and also 0 assists in 35 Premier League games.
In 2017-18, 1 goal and 2 assists in 33 Premier League games.

I'm not saying he's awful by any means, but if you're asking for goals and assists, Gini definitely isn't your man.

11 goals in 38 games for Newcastle is nearly 1 goal every 3 games. Excellent ratio. Liverpool have a different system.

 

[Qqqq]

And we don't?

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

He isn't though.

This season he scored 4 goals and made 0 assists in 37 Premier League games.
In 2018-19, he bagged 3 goals and also 0 assists in 35 Premier League games.
In 2017-18, 1 goal and 2 assists in 33 Premier League games.

I'm not saying he's awful by any means, but if you're asking for goals and assists, Gini definitely isn't your man.

But 2 goals in 2 matches against us

 

[serghei]

And we don't?

We don't. Liverpool probably have the best fullbacks and the best front three in the world.

 

[Qqqq]

We don't. Liverpool probably have the best fullbacks and the best front three in the world.

I fail to see where that makes us comparable to 2015/2016 Newcastle.