FC Barcelona Finances

[serghei]

We'll see with Camp Nou. If the problem doesn't go away after operational Camp Nou, that's a big problem. No Camp Nou costs us a huge amount of money for our revenue.

Btw we were able to sign and register all of Raphinha, Kounde, and Lewa in summer of 2021-22. Why wouldn't it be the same with a massive revenue injection from operational Camp Nou? Salary cap went up a lot with that extra revenue from selling 10% TV rights or what it was. Will be the same with Camp Nou revenue. Just constant stream, not one off payment. Organic revenue, not debt.

 

[DonAK]

The club has made 950 million euros in revenue last season. And that begs the question why are we still not in 1:1 it’s very very frustrating

Because we posted more than 500m in losses put together in two years in 2019-20 and 2020-21.

That absolutely fucked over our cap, and the one year we posted big profits was the levers.

Even in 2023-24 our net result was -91m due a Barcavision write off.

Real Madrid on the other hand have been consistently profitable even if it's only in the range of 10-20m.

 

[DonAK]

Now if the return to Camp Nou goes well then it's logical to assume that from next summer already our salary cap should exceed 500m easily(we're at 463m rn) from the increased income which would mean that any registrations for incoming signings should go smoothly since we're spending close to 500m on salaries and amortizations currently.

That won't mean we can go out and spend 300m in a window, but it shouldn't make 60-70m signings seem like an impossible task at least.

 

[serghei]

Apparently moving from old Camp Nou to Montjuic cost us in 2023 91m in matchday revenue. That's old Camp Nou. How much would it be with the new stadium is anyone's guess, but I guess over 150m in revenue from Montjuic to new Camp Nou with 104k and over 7k vip seats fully open. But that is like 2 years away, with 2027-28 as first season with fully done CN.

 

[DonAK]

Apparently moving from old Camp Nou to Montjuic cost us in 2023 91m in matchday revenue. That's old Camp Nou. How much would it be with the new stadium is anyone's guess, but I guess over 150m in revenue from Montjuic to new Camp Nou with 104k and over 7k vip seats fully open. But that is like 2 years away, with 2027-28 as first season with fully done CN.

Revenue there is estimated to be 120m at Montjuic while a completed Camp Nou expected to be around 350m, if not more.

Now obviously we'll have an annual debt burden of 90m or so as well for the financing of the project starting from 2028.

 

[DonAK]

Just realized that the Spotify deal runs until June 30th 2026.

Will be interesting to see what they can get if they go with someone else or extend it.

 

[jamrock]

Damn time flies.

If we continue to generate hype, I wouldn't be surprised if they extend the deal.

How Spotify Built Its FC Barcelona Sponsorship Into a Music-Fashion-Culture Goldmine

Marc Hazan, Spotify's global VP of marketing and partnerships, spoke to SportsVerse about the strategy behind one of sport's most innovative sponsorships.

sportsverse.substack.com

Lots of hype around the brand and Spotify

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Damn time flies.

If we continue to generate hype, I wouldn't be surprised if they extend the deal.

How Spotify Built Its FC Barcelona Sponsorship Into a Music-Fashion-Culture Goldmine

Marc Hazan, Spotify's global VP of marketing and partnerships, spoke to SportsVerse about the strategy behind one of sport's most innovative sponsorships.

sportsverse.substack.com

Lots of hype around the brand and Spotify

I agree
I like the partnership with Spotify. I hope we continue it.

 

[Total-Football]

Madrid 300m+ in the red on transfers over the past three seasons. And that's excluding Mbappe's massive wages and sign on fee that I think they have managed to perform some funky accounting with.

So yes, if we go further back there are some big sales but the major point of difference is how they managed to offset the cost of Bernabeu through the Covid period and also somehow manage to not pay deferrals. Or if they did, not have the deferrals impact the FFP.

Logically, the stadium re-build, deferrals + covid would have sent them under. Well, it almost sent us under without a stadium rebuild and we are on a decade long recovery. While they are... spending 400m defecit in 3 years.

Vardrid was not paying penaldo 100 M $ a year like barca did with Messi under different rubrics (salary, bonus, loyalty, etc..)

 

[jamrock]

Even Ze Germans are coming around to what I was saying back in the Leveler debate days, you can't use austerity to dig yourself out of a hole.

You have to take on responsible debt, to spin economic activity and remain competitive, no such thing as turning off your economy, then turning it back on when you're ready and think you'll still be able to compete with your pairs.

 

[draconifire]

Even Ze Germans are coming around to what I was saying back in the Leveler debate days, you can't use austerity to dig yourself out of a hole.

You have to take on responsible debt, to spin economic activity and remain competitive, no such thing as turning off your economy, then turning it back on when you're ready and think you'll still be able to compete with your pairs.

A much TLDR video on the same.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

A much TLDR video on the same.

Very interesting topic and it does make sense. Trying to pinch pennies ain't going to make you successful, that's for sure. You need to find new revenues, that's the key.

I am shocked to hear Germany has bad roads, use fax machines and have so bad internet. It's actually quite shocking knowing how good they are in engineering and manufacturing. It's about time to fix those.

 

[Barcaman]

❗FFP space that Barça will generate if Pau Víctor's potential move also goes through:

Pau Víctor if sold to Braga: Barça earns €2.4M from 20% of €12M transfer + €240K from 60% of €400K salary = €2.8M total.

Pablo Torre sold to Mallorca: Barça earns €1M from 20% of €5M transfer + €2.4M from 60% of €4M salary = €3.4M total.

Ansu Fati loaned to Monaco: Barça frees €2.5M from 60% of half salary + €3.4M from contract extension = €8M total.

Clément Lenglet released to Atlético: Barça frees up 60% of €10.6M salary = €6.4M total.

Total fair play margin that would be freed: ~ €21M

Via (🟢): @RamonFuentes74 [md]

 

[Loki]

❗FFP space that Barça will generate if Pau Víctor's potential move also goes through:

Pau Víctor if sold to Braga: Barça earns €2.4M from 20% of €12M transfer + €240K from 60% of €400K salary = €2.8M total.

Pablo Torre sold to Mallorca: Barça earns €1M from 20% of €5M transfer + €2.4M from 60% of €4M salary = €3.4M total.

Ansu Fati loaned to Monaco: Barça frees €2.5M from 60% of half salary + €3.4M from contract extension = €8M total.

Clément Lenglet released to Atlético: Barça frees up 60% of €10.6M salary = €6.4M total.

Total fair play margin that would be freed: ~ €21M

Via (🟢): @RamonFuentes74 [md]

Barca would need for Garcia around €10,5m and Rashford €14m. So in total around €24-25m for both players.

Rashford is easy, since he has no fee, so only his €14m salary counts for ffp.
Garcia we need to divide his 25m fee through his 6 years of contract = 4,2m /y + his salary of 6.25m /y adds to around €10,5m needed ffp margin.

To register both players (if their salary reports are true), barca will need around €25m in freed up ffp margin under current rules, as long as we're not back to 1:1 yet.

 

[Porque]

❗FFP space that Barça will generate if Pau Víctor's potential move also goes through:

Pau Víctor if sold to Braga: Barça earns €2.4M from 20% of €12M transfer + €240K from 60% of €400K salary = €2.8M total.

Pablo Torre sold to Mallorca: Barça earns €1M from 20% of €5M transfer + €2.4M from 60% of €4M salary = €3.4M total.

Ansu Fati loaned to Monaco: Barça frees €2.5M from 60% of half salary + €3.4M from contract extension = €8M total.

Clément Lenglet released to Atlético: Barça frees up 60% of €10.6M salary = €6.4M total.

Total fair play margin that would be freed: ~ €21M

Via (🟢): @RamonFuentes74 [md]

Conclusion. Fuck the Financial Austerity Cap.

Meanwhile EPL clubs get 100% of sale income applied at time of sale, while signings amortize over contract.

Aka, Fractional Reserve Capping.