Valverde sticks with whats getting results. The core always plays and the rotations happen when there are injuries.
But look at the lineup versus Celta.
Pique 31
Alba 29
Busquets 30
Rakitic 30
Vidal 31
Messi 31
Suarez 31
Thats 7/11 with the majority turning a year old by the end of the season.
Valverde is playing (and requesting signings like Willian) for results today (like Mourinho) and doesnt care about the future.
He is not going to be the person to rejuvinate this squad and he knows it. He is building his retirement profile with trophies to take to his next selected job.
If De Ligt and De Jong come, do we seriously think Valverde will groom them to replace Pique and Busquets? Or will they only play if both get injured.
But look at the lineup versus Celta.
Pique 31
Alba 29
Busquets 30
Rakitic 30
Vidal 31
Messi 31
Suarez 31
Thats 7/11 with the majority turning a year old by the end of the season.
Valverde is playing (and requesting signings like Willian) for results today (like Mourinho) and doesnt care about the future.
He is not going to be the person to rejuvinate this squad and he knows it. He is building his retirement profile with trophies to take to his next selected job.
If De Ligt and De Jong come, do we seriously think Valverde will groom them to replace Pique and Busquets? Or will they only play if both get injured.
MagIX
Senior Member
By any logic, with 300 millions invested, we'd have done a massive leap forward..... I'm still waiting for it.
Honestly, it's easy to hide this fact by giving total responsibility to EV.
EV is to blame for sure (to be fired, no problem for me), but thinking that new coach = easily win by playing spectacularly is very naive.
Honestly, it's easy to hide this fact by giving total responsibility to EV.
EV is to blame for sure (to be fired, no problem for me), but thinking that new coach = easily win by playing spectacularly is very naive.
serghei
Senior Member
Valverde sticks with whats getting results. The core always plays and the rotations happen when there are injuries.
But look at the lineup versus Celta.
Pique 31
Alba 29
Busquets 30
Rakitic 30
Vidal 31
Messi 31
Suarez 31
Thats 7/11 with the majority turning a year old by the end of the season.
Valverde is playing (and requesting signings like Willian) for results today (like Mourinho) and doesnt care about the future.
He is not going to be the person to rejuvinate this squad and he knows it. He is building his retirement profile with trophies to take to his next selected job.
If De Ligt and De Jong come, do we seriously think Valverde will groom them to replace Pique and Busquets? Or will they only play if both get injured.
He's a carbon copy of Mourinho without the titles and a much more affable personality. Mourinho took the style Valverde is applying to the highest peaks in Europe, with much inferior sides.
But, imo, everything for him is on the line in the CL this season. If he doesn't make at least a semifinal he'll be exposed big time.
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Vilarrubi
New member
Yep.... 2nd half was shocking.. Celta looked like the home team at times.
serghei
Senior Member
Valverde's midfielders are basically there to run and tackle. The most used path to build attacks is CBs to fullbacks to wingers or Messi. And we wonder why Coutinho is lost with these tactics 
. And of course that Arthur no longer plays that much, why would he? Vidal is stronger than him and a better tackler by far.
His lame build up tactics will be exposed big time the moment we meet a team that blocks Messi and doesn't leave Alba to do his thing on the wing. Then let's see what Valverde will do, how he will make us create chances to score goals.
. And of course that Arthur no longer plays that much, why would he? Vidal is stronger than him and a better tackler by far.His lame build up tactics will be exposed big time the moment we meet a team that blocks Messi and doesn't leave Alba to do his thing on the wing. Then let's see what Valverde will do, how he will make us create chances to score goals.
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DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Real Madrid scored more goals than Barca in the 2010/11 season, but no one with a brain would claim Mourinho's Real Madrid was a better attacking team than Pep's or played on the attack most of the time.
This Barca team is a bit like that Real Madrid team scoring a lot of goals against minnows and then being underwhelming against top European opposition in terms of results and how they play.
This Barca team is a bit like that Real Madrid team scoring a lot of goals against minnows and then being underwhelming against top European opposition in terms of results and how they play.
George_Costanza
Active member
Valverde sticks with whats getting results. The core always plays and the rotations happen when there are injuries.
But look at the lineup versus Celta.
Pique 31
Alba 29
Busquets 30
Rakitic 30
Vidal 31
Messi 31
Suarez 31
Thats 7/11 with the majority turning a year old by the end of the season.
Valverde is playing (and requesting signings like Willian) for results today (like Mourinho) and doesnt care about the future.
He is not going to be the person to rejuvinate this squad and he knows it. He is building his retirement profile with trophies to take to his next selected job.
If De Ligt and De Jong come, do we seriously think Valverde will groom them to replace Pique and Busquets? Or will they only play if both get injured.
The blame mainly on Bartomeu, the board and sporting department for hiring an average manager. A great manager beside getting the results, he will coach an attacking football brand that is suitable for Barcelona's football philosophy, make the good players even better, develop promising players and promote youngsters. Valverde has a long way to be considered above average.
IMO coaches like Mourinho, Conte, Valverde, Simeone and even Allegri should stay the fuck away from Barcelona.
serghei
Senior Member
Pretty much.
Alik
Moderator
To be fair, we have played good matches against Real Madrid (albeit, not really top opposition at the time), Tottenham first leg and Inter first leg (without Messi).
Messi983
Senior Member
How many coaches without longterm contracts are really looking to build for the future? Coaches are staying at Barça for 2-3 seasons at most. Those who don't bring trophies must go even before that and successful ones like Pep or Lucho decide to leave when they know they can't get the most out of the players anymore. We'll never have our own Ferguson or Wenger who have changed hundreds of players during their time at United/Arsenal. With us is more likely that longterm starters (like our golden La Masia generation) will have 5-6 or more coaches during their 10-15 years at the club.
So why would any coach give a preference to develop players that could (but there is no guarantee for that even if they would get early playing time) become our starters in 2-3 years (when he'll be long gone) if those same kids won't give him the best chances to win now? Valverde is playing Dembele regularly because he helps us now. Before the injury Arthur was playing a lot as well because he was doing the same. If Valverde will still be here next season and we'll get De Jong and/or De Ligt or another younger player I'm sure he'll give them enough minutes if they are really as good as advertised. But they'll have to earn their opportunities. You can't just come to Barça and expect to get into the best XI.
That's probably why we've scored 5 goals against Madrid and 4 vs Tottenham and Sevilla. Those were the best teams we've faced so far this year. Yes' we've struggled against Atletico but we always do eventhough we've usually found a way to beat them in La Liga.
I think with this team everything starts and ends with motivation (which is understandable considering many of our key players have won everything). When players are 100% motivated and focused on the game we can beat everyone. When they are not we can lose to much weaker opponents. From what I've seen so far this season I think they really want to win the CL but they are having problems when we're playing against smaller teams in La Liga.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
How about Rijkaard?
He gave opportunities to plenty of young players and developed them too. Lot of talk about Pep but it was Rijkaard who actually built the foundation of this Barca era. Hugely underrated coach.
He gave opportunities to plenty of young players and developed them too. Lot of talk about Pep but it was Rijkaard who actually built the foundation of this Barca era. Hugely underrated coach.
And Van Gaal before him even more. And Cruyff before. All played great football while giving plenty of chances to youth.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Lol.
Name 5 La Masia players (or even bought young players) over Rijkaard's 5 years in whom he had more faith than EV has with Arthur and Alena.
A lot of urban myths and making the past times better than they actually were.
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