Messigician
Senior Member
With the dust finally settling on Valverde's tenure let's analyse his pros and cons and see whether he was given enough credit or not. I will attempt to be as bias free as possible.
I will start at the beginning, we just lost Neymar and we were hammered at the super cup, Valverde realised we could no longer play a 433 and quickly changed the system to a solid 442, we had the best defence in Europe at this time, we demolished a prime eventual UCL winners Madrid won the double twice and nearly went undefeated.
What game did we lose? A game Messi was rested for a bullshit international friendly and Mina conceding 5 to a nearly relegated. Side. Overall an amazing season. The only blight is a 4-4 aggregate loss to Roma.
Reminder under Enrique we were one of the worst teams defensively.
Second season, won the league comfortably, was even with Liverpool on xg over the two legs and had bad luck to lose by 4 goals at Anfield. Imo had Dembele put away the sitter unfair or not we break Liverpool and win the treble with a 4-0 win and destroy a spurs we beat easily in the group stage.
3rd season the apparent disaster season. Ok so he's had no Suarez, and no Messi for most of it, disaster right? Well is it? Let's review at the time of his sacking our results. Unbeaten in UCL, top of the league by 2 points and unbeaten in the Copa. Lost the supercup to athletico in one of the best games in the season we played well and deserved to win it. All this without Messi and Suarez for most of it and key injuries to Roberto Alba etc.
Now let's look at some other aspects
Squad management
Players loved him, nuff said never defended Setien at all while accepting the blame for the losses.
Transfers
People forget the deadweight we had with LE, Aleix Vidal, Turan, Gomes etc was a disaster, we shipped out all the deadweight while EV made players like Paulinho work.
Didn't play Semedo, Arthur, Mina, Alena, etc wildly critiqued for this proven right in the end. Quickly preferred Araujo over Tobido with good reason too.
Wanted Willian which people hated, now they cry out for actual wingers, with Willian we would get one of the hardest working players who can play either side. Would offer pace to a side that needs it as well as pressing.
Stats
Undefeated against Real Madrid has the best Clasico win percentage along with Pep.
Has the best champions league win % out of any modern manager in history only losing 2 games in 3 years.
Myths
Only beat a weak real Madrid side... right so a prime madrid with CR7, Modric, kroos, casemiro is weak fyi they won UCL that season and we won the league both times with points to spare.
Choking began under EV... our away games against European opposition has a sad 20% win rate stat kindly shared by BBZ. The last time we were decent away was under Rijkard this problem goes beyond EV.
Played awful football. Board squandered the Neymar money, EV learned fast in the supercup demolitions that this squad can't play beautiful football, regardless showed glimpses of what he can do with a proper squad look at the Copa final in Iniesta's final game as an example.
It is not his fault the board squandered 220m euros plus freeing up Neymar's immense wages. EV showed he can win with the seniors.
The plan, so imagine this. We actually had the perfect plan.
200m in the bank from Neymar. Valverde in to get the best out of the seniors for 3 years.
And we can slowly phase them out while having mountains of cash to rebuild for the next coach to come in a progressive manager who plays youth and has the funds to invest where it's needed.
EV keeps us competitive while a new board appoints Xavi and we can actually rebuild with funds and reputation.
What has sacking EV gotten us? A trophy less season if you're going to sack him do it at the end of S2 not midway through it is disrespectful to him. And speaking of disrespect the man who bought is trophies is called Retardo but a joke who watched Bayern put 8 past us and not even move gets the respect to be called Setien? Disgraceful...
At least now people can see the squad has been finished and EV was overachieving with what he bad.
PS I do think if ter clown had one masterclass like Navas and Valdes did before him we win at least another treble and deny real the threepeat
Before EV
2016 won laliga by a point
2017 no laliga
During EV
2018 laliga
2019 laliga
After EV
2020 no laliga
2 leagues in 2 years is nothing to take for granted Real and CR7 won 2 in 9 years spending millions.
PPS in the Bayern game everyone was awful, in EVs lost games individual errors and poor finishing cost us the wins not bad preparation or formations. Look at Umtiti, Dembele, Rakutic as the main culprits.
Please at least show some respect and change the thread title to what he deserves as a valued part of our history.
I will start at the beginning, we just lost Neymar and we were hammered at the super cup, Valverde realised we could no longer play a 433 and quickly changed the system to a solid 442, we had the best defence in Europe at this time, we demolished a prime eventual UCL winners Madrid won the double twice and nearly went undefeated.
What game did we lose? A game Messi was rested for a bullshit international friendly and Mina conceding 5 to a nearly relegated. Side. Overall an amazing season. The only blight is a 4-4 aggregate loss to Roma.
Reminder under Enrique we were one of the worst teams defensively.
Second season, won the league comfortably, was even with Liverpool on xg over the two legs and had bad luck to lose by 4 goals at Anfield. Imo had Dembele put away the sitter unfair or not we break Liverpool and win the treble with a 4-0 win and destroy a spurs we beat easily in the group stage.
3rd season the apparent disaster season. Ok so he's had no Suarez, and no Messi for most of it, disaster right? Well is it? Let's review at the time of his sacking our results. Unbeaten in UCL, top of the league by 2 points and unbeaten in the Copa. Lost the supercup to athletico in one of the best games in the season we played well and deserved to win it. All this without Messi and Suarez for most of it and key injuries to Roberto Alba etc.
Now let's look at some other aspects
Squad management
Players loved him, nuff said never defended Setien at all while accepting the blame for the losses.
Transfers
People forget the deadweight we had with LE, Aleix Vidal, Turan, Gomes etc was a disaster, we shipped out all the deadweight while EV made players like Paulinho work.
Didn't play Semedo, Arthur, Mina, Alena, etc wildly critiqued for this proven right in the end. Quickly preferred Araujo over Tobido with good reason too.
Wanted Willian which people hated, now they cry out for actual wingers, with Willian we would get one of the hardest working players who can play either side. Would offer pace to a side that needs it as well as pressing.
Stats
Undefeated against Real Madrid has the best Clasico win percentage along with Pep.
Has the best champions league win % out of any modern manager in history only losing 2 games in 3 years.
Myths
Only beat a weak real Madrid side... right so a prime madrid with CR7, Modric, kroos, casemiro is weak fyi they won UCL that season and we won the league both times with points to spare.
Choking began under EV... our away games against European opposition has a sad 20% win rate stat kindly shared by BBZ. The last time we were decent away was under Rijkard this problem goes beyond EV.
Played awful football. Board squandered the Neymar money, EV learned fast in the supercup demolitions that this squad can't play beautiful football, regardless showed glimpses of what he can do with a proper squad look at the Copa final in Iniesta's final game as an example.
It is not his fault the board squandered 220m euros plus freeing up Neymar's immense wages. EV showed he can win with the seniors.
The plan, so imagine this. We actually had the perfect plan.
200m in the bank from Neymar. Valverde in to get the best out of the seniors for 3 years.
And we can slowly phase them out while having mountains of cash to rebuild for the next coach to come in a progressive manager who plays youth and has the funds to invest where it's needed.
EV keeps us competitive while a new board appoints Xavi and we can actually rebuild with funds and reputation.
What has sacking EV gotten us? A trophy less season if you're going to sack him do it at the end of S2 not midway through it is disrespectful to him. And speaking of disrespect the man who bought is trophies is called Retardo but a joke who watched Bayern put 8 past us and not even move gets the respect to be called Setien? Disgraceful...
At least now people can see the squad has been finished and EV was overachieving with what he bad.
PS I do think if ter clown had one masterclass like Navas and Valdes did before him we win at least another treble and deny real the threepeat
Before EV
2016 won laliga by a point
2017 no laliga
During EV
2018 laliga
2019 laliga
After EV
2020 no laliga
2 leagues in 2 years is nothing to take for granted Real and CR7 won 2 in 9 years spending millions.
PPS in the Bayern game everyone was awful, in EVs lost games individual errors and poor finishing cost us the wins not bad preparation or formations. Look at Umtiti, Dembele, Rakutic as the main culprits.
Please at least show some respect and change the thread title to what he deserves as a valued part of our history.
