Copa Semi Final 1: Atlético - Barca 4-0

[Barcaman]

Many players have been too pampered in the media and within the club. Then there's a victim mentality.
Would likely believe some stuff myself if I was 20 and local press kept raving about me being the best.

There is no excuse in losing 4-0 and players need to bear some responsibility. But how when Barca captain never does and bails on the team into hiding and then returns as victim.

Train hard and give your best when called upon. Simple.

 

[Porque]

It is very simple imo. Ball bounces of Lewa before it gets to Cubarsi. It's interpreted as a pass of Lewa to Cubarsi. Cubarsi is off by a few centimeters compared to the Atletico player.

It's harsh, but that's the thing with VAR, you have to accept these decisions hoping you'll also benefit from very close offsides called against your opponents.

Its not offside. We will probably hear the referee committee got it wrong today. Of course it was obviously wrong yesterday and we were screwed- for whatever reason.

There are two interpretations and both have Lewandowski and Cubarsi onside

1) Barca player plays ball through where Lewy and Cubarsi are on side. Lewandowski touches the ball while ahead of Cubarsi constituting a backwards pass. This makes Cubarsi onside.

2) Lewandowski receives the ball with the last touch being off of an Atleti player trying to make an interception. This makes him onside irregardless of him being ahead of the play or not (he wasn't) when the Barca player made the initial pass.

Phase 2 starts and he is ahead of Cubarsi, making any touch he makes constitute as a backwards pass and Cubarsi onside.

Basically VAR was never needed on this goal as it is a simple and basic decision.

The fallacy is to dismiss this decision just because we played crap and it is 4-0 at the time. Just as the fallacy was to dismiss the stonewall penalty at the weekend just because we won 4-0 or whatever the score was.

But also, in a KO game, 4-1 and 4-0 is a big difference for a return home game.

 

[JohnN]

Its not offside. We will probably hear the referee committee got it wrong today. Of course it was obviously wrong yesterday and we were screwed- for whatever reason.

There are two interpretations and both have Lewandowski and Cubarsi onside

1) Barca player plays ball through where Lewy and Cubarsi are on side. Lewandowski touches the ball while ahead of Cubarsi constituting a backwards pass. This makes Cubarsi onside.

2) Lewandowski receives the ball with the last touch being off of an Atleti player trying to make an interception. This makes him onside irregardless of him being ahead of the play or not (he wasn't) when the Barca player made the initial pass.

Phase 2 starts and he is ahead of Cubarsi, making any touch he makes constitute as a backwards pass and Cubarsi onside.

Basically VAR was never needed on this goal as it is a simple and basic decision.

The fallacy is to dismiss this decision just because we played crap and it is 4-0 at the time. Just as the fallacy was to dismiss the stonewall penalty at the weekend just because we won 4-0 or whatever the score was.

But also, in a KO game, 4-1 and 4-0 is a big difference for a return home game.

It was a bad decision. And yes 4-1 is very different, but I don't believe a remontada would be possible anyway. Also, a goal from us could have triggered Atletico again to play ball and demolish us.

 

[Loki]

Ref robbed us by disallowing a perfectly fine goal with handdrawn bullshit lines and didn't send the son off like Frenkie was just recently. So the real score could have been 4-1, maybe even 4-2 in the end.

That said, players don't really deserve it. They played like schoolboys the first 30 minutes, in a semis against Atletico Madrid. Atleti showed how to engage these matches. With passion, emotion and fight. We started to counteract, when it was 0-3 already and could have been 0-5 easily. It's inexcusable how this team sleeps the first third of the game in most matches.

I don't know if it's a mentality problem, preperation of the match or arrogancy because they became used to overturn scores against weak spanish opponents. But they're not ready to engage these kind of matches in their head. Especially without Rapha and Pedri.
Flick could have used a more stable and defensive tactic without his 2 best pressers, no doubt. But in the end, the players are solely to blame for the inexcusable first 30 minutes.

Bottom line, this team can't compete without Pedri and Rapha for one. For two, this team needs to grow a lot mentally, before they're ready for these kind of matches. And three, we urgently need better defenders.

 

[serghei]

2) Lewandowski receives the ball with the last touch being off of an Atleti player trying to make an interception. This makes him onside irregardless of him being ahead of the play or not (he wasn't) when the Barca player made the initial pass.

It doesn't matter if Lewandowski is ahead of Cubarsi. The ball isn't. It's a forward pass according to the rules. It only matters the position of Cubarsi vs the last AM player in the defensive line.

They will probably say the lines were drawn correctly, and it's a tiny offside, stand by the decision made in the VAR room imo.

 

[JamDav1982]

Its not offside. We will probably hear the referee committee got it wrong today. Of course it was obviously wrong yesterday and we were screwed- for whatever reason.

There are two interpretations and both have Lewandowski and Cubarsi onside

1) Barca player plays ball through where Lewy and Cubarsi are on side. Lewandowski touches the ball while ahead of Cubarsi constituting a backwards pass. This makes Cubarsi onside.

2) Lewandowski receives the ball with the last touch being off of an Atleti player trying to make an interception. This makes him onside irregardless of him being ahead of the play or not (he wasn't) when the Barca player made the initial pass.

Phase 2 starts and he is ahead of Cubarsi, making any touch he makes constitute as a backwards pass and Cubarsi onside.

Basically VAR was never needed on this goal as it is a simple and basic decision.

The fallacy is to dismiss this decision just because we played crap and it is 4-0 at the time. Just as the fallacy was to dismiss the stonewall penalty at the weekend just because we won 4-0 or whatever the score was.

But also, in a KO game, 4-1 and 4-0 is a big difference for a return home game.

Neither of your points are correct there.

If the line is accurate he is offside.

Whether some part of Lewa is ahead of Cubaris is irrelevant. It matters where the ball is and Cubarsi is ahead of it.

Can be offside from ball going backwards. Doesnt have to go forward.

 

[Porque]

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Fine. I'll concede that I got the part of being behind Lewy wrong.

Then my question is, the last touch of Lewy looks to be the back of the calf here.

If it is then Cubarsi is way behind the last defender.

 

[Titan98]

It doesn't matter if Lewandowski is ahead of Cubarsi. The ball isn't. It's a forward pass according to the rules. It only matters the position of Cubarsi vs the last AM player in the defensive line.

They will probably say the lines were drawn correctly, and it's a tiny offside, stand by the decision made in the VAR room imo.

Yeah, it was offside. The ball is the reference, not lewa‘s body and the ball was behind the last AM-defender so it is him.

 

[Titan98]

Then my question is, the last touch of Lewy looks to be the back of the calf here.

If it is then Cubarsi is way behind the last defender.

No it wasnt. In a camera shot from the goalkeeper's perspective, it was seen that he did not touch him again at the end.

 

[malvolio]

Ref robbed us by disallowing a perfectly fine goal with handdrawn bullshit lines and didn't send the son off like Frenkie was just recently. So the real score could have been 4-1, maybe even 4-2 in the end.

That said, players don't really deserve it. They played like schoolboys the first 30 minutes, in a semis against Atletico Madrid. Atleti showed how to engage these matches. With passion, emotion and fight. We started to counteract, when it was 0-3 already and could have been 0-5 easily. It's inexcusable how this team sleeps the first third of the game in most matches.

I don't know if it's a mentality problem, preperation of the match or arrogancy because they became used to overturn scores against weak spanish opponents. But they're not ready to engage these kind of matches in their head. Especially without Rapha and Pedri.
Flick could have used a more stable and defensive tactic without his 2 best pressers, no doubt. But in the end, the players are solely to blame for the inexcusable first 30 minutes.

Bottom line, this team can't compete without Pedri and Rapha for one. For two, this team needs to grow a lot mentally, before they're ready for these kind of matches. And three, we urgently need better defenders.

Bottom line is half the team shouldn't even start for us.

 

[Loki]

Bottom line is half the team shouldn't even start for us.

Well, since we're not in a computer game and have to deal with Bartomeu's heritage for one, and market inflation in the billions for two, we need to work with what we can afford.

 

[serghei]

Well, since we're not in a computer game and have to deal with Bartomeu's heritage for one, and market inflation in the billions for two, we need to work with what we can afford.

Right. But then, we are not without flaws.

With the little money we had to spend, we did spend 100m on Ferran and Olmo. Do you look at them as players who are special in big games? I don't. They are good players but not quite the quality you need to win CLs. Despite costing good money.

Our transfers aimed to elevate the team, and I mean transfers for sums you usually see the bigger teams spend are, since 2021 or so, Ferran, Raphinha, Kounde, and Olmo. Other than Raphinha, I'm not really pleased with any of the other 3.

 

[Horatio]

Fine. I'll concede that I got the part of being behind Lewy wrong.

Then my question is, the last touch of Lewy looks to be the back of the calf here.

If it is then Cubarsi is way behind the last defender.

I promised controversy with my gif.

Let’s gooooo


Yeah Cubarsi looks pretty onside

 

[Horatio]

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My advice to people to get better sense of where the perspective lines would run is to turn your photo approximately 40-45 degrees to left. It always helps me see clearer whether on or off.

 

[JamDav1982]

Once folk understand the rules as wasnt the case last night or this morning it become about finding frame that suits but only have to find one frame with Lewa touching it and Cubarsi offside.

The frame they used looks like line is drawn accurately at least in line with the 6yds box.

Offside.. marginally.