Champions League 25/26

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Masetro10

Member
I mean City will never be good again until they can go get people that are actual threats in attack.

You have Savinho and Doku who are touchline beat 1 man dribble merchants with no scoring. Ok so let them beat guys 1v1 and have the help defender finish them off everytime makes them useless as hell.

Then you go from prime De Bruyne/Gundogan/Rodri/Silva to something much much less skilled this cycle so now you cannot even slice through teams anymore.

The last few years City is ass. But try to play like they did when they won the treble. That's all on Pep out there acting like Hansi Flick
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Very different defensive attributes.

Rudiger is fast, big and strong. Cubarsi is small, slow and weak.

Cubarsi is an excellent passer. Rudiger is a great ball carrier.

If Elanga and Barnes can get in behind Barca's defense in transitions I'm pretty sure Haaland can.

Cubarsi is not slow, def. not slower than Rudiger. I am sure the height difference is not that substantial either

Elanga and Barners get in behind for different reasons. We play high line
 

Birdy

Senior Member
It does count and he scored 2 in 1 game last season v them in KO stage.

Scored v PSG last year also and this season has scored in both games v Liverpool and away to Arsenal also.

Been out form lately but to say does nothing in big games isnt quite right.

He would score a ton for Real.

It's not a question of form. 22/23 supposedly was one of his best years, YET he was invisible in the big games against Madrid and Inter

PSG last years was not a knockout, Liverpool and Arsenal this season were early league games

Don't try to strawman

The point is clear. The guy disappears completely in BIG STAKE games against BIG opponents
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Dude, Rudiger is very quick

I have watched him a lot at Chelsea and Roma

He is some years older, and Cubarsi is fast as well.

But the point is Rudiger is a guy who can easily get outfoxed by an even midIQ attacker.
He is ultra-aggresive without proper judgment.

The fact that he pockets Haaland so easily year after year is not a good sign for Haaland
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
I mean City will never be good again until they can go get people that are actual threats in attack.

You have Savinho and Doku who are touchline beat 1 man dribble merchants with no scoring. Ok so let them beat guys 1v1 and have the help defender finish them off everytime makes them useless as hell.

Then you go from prime De Bruyne/Gundogan/Rodri/Silva to something much much less skilled this cycle so now you cannot even slice through teams anymore.

The last few years City is ass. But try to play like they did when they won the treble. That's all on Pep out there acting like Hansi Flick
That's the problem with Doku and Savinho as you say - they are touchline huggers who are better at beating a man and crossing. Savinho can sometimes come inside and shoot. But they're pretty one dimensional players.

I prefer Grealish to Doku, still. He isn't as explosive or 'sexy' to watch, but he kept the ball well and was a wide playmaker who linked up well with the more central players. He was great in the Jan-May period in their run to the treble. But people viewed him as a system player. You can argue he played in a better team, but part of why they were a better team is they had better players than Savinho and Doku.

I like Semenyo, but again, he seems the type of player suited to transitional non Pep football. Marmoush has ability but never gonna be close to KDB, Aguero, people like that. I don't know what is going on with Foden, Bernardo is in decline, and Cherki does look a player to be fair but been in and out with injury.

The common thread is none of these new guys are on the same level, or play in the same style, as geniuses like David Silva and KDB, or have the technique of Grealish, Mahrez, Aguero or goalscoring and energy of Gundogan.

I also think a factor people overlook is that City always had great full-backs who supplemented the play and helped the wingers when Walker was there and even Zinchenko and others did an admirable job at LB. Walker also the insurance policy with pace at the back.

Sterling was more direct but Pep got the absolute most out of him like noone else ever did.

Another huge factor is Donnarumma is nowhere near as good with his feet as Ederson. Ederson started so many moves for them.

Add in Rodri's injuries and there's clearly a personnel issue. These new guys they're signing all over the park are nowhere near the level of the past guys. Pep trying to change from possession football to a hybrid style that doesn't suit him too, to try to keep up with the times, is affecting them.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Pep got burned by losing games late and badly with likes of Cancelo making mistakes and seen City as too open and left to players to win lose games.

See City game when Cancelo melted down.

He then tried to change it.. more power for set pieces. More of a threat for balls early into box... Haaland. Wide players went to likes of Grealish asked to not take many risks but take ball and progress it.

With the control and creativity coming largely from KDB as almost second striker role and two CMs taking it in turns to push on and add numbers.

It worked. They won a treble.

Teams and football started to adapt and ball carriers became more important as teams so structured.

Also teams started to mark whole City team 1v1 more and likes of Gundo/Rodri and Grealish out wide not best at breaking that.

He then tried to revamp side and go for more power.. more palayers to carry balll.. more 1v1 threats out wide that will allow to make things happen and go at full backs.

But the players signed have been below level of players in past and he now looks stuck on how team should approach games.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
He is some years older, and Cubarsi is fast as well.

But the point is Rudiger is a guy who can easily get outfoxed by an even midIQ attacker.
He is ultra-aggresive without proper judgment.

The fact that he pockets Haaland so easily year after year is not a good sign for Haaland
TBF he had Thiago Silva (one of the smartest defenders ever) to babysit him at Chelsea
 

MonteCuler

Well-known member
I mean City will never be good again until they can go get people that are actual threats in attack.

You have Savinho and Doku who are touchline beat 1 man dribble merchants with no scoring. Ok so let them beat guys 1v1 and have the help defender finish them off everytime makes them useless as hell.
Yeah their wingers are a problem

Doku is one of best dribblers on the planet but his end product is shite. Very frustrating player who over complicates too much

Savinho is a good player at his best who is lacking confidence and can't find his form yet

As for that Semenyo guy I really don't see it with him

They need a truly elite winger in that side because Haaland won't create anything for himself. It's that kind of striker. He needs someone to feed him elite crosses and through balls and then he can shine
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
It's not a question of form. 22/23 supposedly was one of his best years, YET he was invisible in the big games against Madrid and Inter

PSG last years was not a knockout, Liverpool and Arsenal this season were early league games

Don't try to strawman

The point is clear. The guy disappears completely in BIG STAKE games against BIG opponents

Those games are all v the better sides. When in league they are doesnt matter.

He was still a huge part of that treble even if didnt score in every game to point he was voted their player of year.

He has 3 goals in last 3 games v Real and may well get another next week.. if starts.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
Yeah their wingers are a problem

Doku is one of best dribblers on the planet but his end product is shite. Very frustrating player who over complicates too much

Savinho is a good player at his best who is lacking confidence and can't find his form yet

As for that Semenyo guy I really don't see it with him

They need a truly elite winger in that side because Haaland won't create anything for himself. It's that kind of striker. He needs someone to feed him elite crosses and through balls and then he can shine
Semenyo is very good. Pep isn't using him well enough.

Savinho is bang average.

They should have gone for Lookman.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
@FootRankings

Champions League - To Secure QF:

Leverkusen 22% - Arsenal 78%
PSG 93% - Chelsea 7%
Real Madrid 91% - Man City 9%
Bodø/Glimt 90% - Sporting CP 10%
Atalanta 0.01% - Bayern Munich 99.99%
Atlético Madrid 96% - Tottenham 4%
Newcastle 34% - Barcelona 66%
Galatasaray 42% - Liverpool 58%

(% per @OptaAnalyst)


So, according to Opta the only games that have some interest (and some % of upset) next week are
Liverpool- Gala, and Barca - Newcastle
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
They don't really have any consistent goal threats apart from Haaland, and here and there Marmoush. Especially with Foden having problems.

I think that's why Semenyo was signed too. He doesn't suit Pep's style of play but at least he's a goal threat, unlike Doku and Savinho.
 

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