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khaled_a_d

Senior Member
So, Tim Cato (Mavs insider) is saying Nico Harrison rated Jrue Holiday at same level of Jokic.

If true, it confirms that Nico wasn't just an idiot, but essentially a biased one. He has preference to American players and probably Luka never stood a chance to win him over.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
The most hilarious thing is that AD got fat in Dallas. Worst trade of all time but long term the best thing that could happen to Dončić.

tbf to him, he was banned from any athletic training for months due to eye surgery. It is normal to gain weight if you aren't allowed to workout while maintaining sane amount of calorie intake.

He will get in shape soon enough.

I don't agree the trade is good for Luka. He had a team built for him, a great one too. Now, he is in an equally bad organisation, that has bad roster and even bigger expectations. If he doesn't deliver a chip he will be called out, with the likes of SAS and Perkins claiming he couldn't do it in two franchises.
 

TheStig

Member
Luka last season was also injured but they traded him primarly because he was fat. I don't excuse him, no professional sportsman who gets paid millions should be fat at any point, that's the bare minimum.

The trade is good for Luka because he used it for motivation to get in shape, that probably wouldn't happen in Dallas. He went to a worse team short term but long term there is a lot more of potential in Lakers than in Mavs. This is like going from Osasuna to Real Madrid if we're honest but first they have to get rid of Lebron and bring a top free agent and trade a few players, they'll have many options in 2026 and 2027, it's on Pelinka to make the right moves, we'll see if he'll do it or not.

This season the team is probably too weak for a ring but you never know with Luka in this form. I predict he'll be the MVP this season but won't go to the finals yet.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Luka last season was also injured but they traded him primarly because he was fat. I don't excuse him, no professional sportsman who gets paid millions should be fat at any point, that's the bare minimum.

The trade is good for Luka because he used it for motivation to get in shape, that probably wouldn't happen in Dallas. He went to a worse team short term but long term there is a lot more of potential in Lakers than in Mavs. This is like going from Osasuna to Real Madrid if we're honest but first they have to get rid of Lebron and bring a top free agent and trade a few players, they'll have many options in 2026 and 2027, it's on Pelinka to make the right moves, we'll see if he'll do it or not.

This season the team is probably too weak for a ring but you never know with Luka in this form. I predict he'll be the MVP this season but won't go to the finals yet.

Lakers has no assets to bring a big trade, never mind current CBA killed the chances of superstars moving as Free agents.

Lakers have been mediocre ever since Dr. Buss passed away. They lucked into a ring after the NBA gave them lottery gifts for years and they they traded it all for AD, after Lebron decided LA was his retirement home. Even then they needed covid bubble so their squad was totally healthy to win it. It was the perfect storm.

Look at the 2026 free agents list, it is nothing that will change his forune. And once Reeves signs a renewal, they won't have a chance of 2027 free agents.

Wemby is apready surpassing Puka, and SAS have better future, same as OKC. I can't see how Lakers can make to the finals within the 2026-2028 time frame, except for some massive luck or some rigged shit to happen.
 

TheStig

Member
I said they had a lot of work to do and it's not a sure thing they will do it but you'll attract a lot more players in LA than in Dallas.

Wemby is apready surpassing Puka,

No he's not and probably never will. Wemby didn't achive 5% of what Luka did in his career and he's not even better this season. He had a couple of freak amazing games but quickly went back to a lower level. He has potential to be great but can't compare him to Luka yet. Wouldn't bet Wemby will ever be at that level consistently, I'm afraid his body won't allow it. Anyway, I always prefer players with superior technique to physical freaks in any sport.
 

Windhook

Well-known member
No he's not and probably never will. Wemby didn't achive 5% of what Luka did in his career and he's not even better this season. He had a couple of freak amazing games but quickly went back to a lower level. He has potential to be great but can't compare him to Luka yet. Wouldn't bet Wemby will ever be at that level consistently, I'm afraid his body won't allow it. Anyway, I always prefer players with superior technique to physical freaks in any sport.
I don't think Wemby have surpassed Luka's achievements. Luka is one of the greatest shooters in the history of basketball.

Wemby is more versatile in comparison, though. If he manages to stay healthy given his fragile 7'5 (nobody knows exactly) frame, could become one of the greatest to have ever played the game. This season so far Wemby's been purely phenomenal. NBA have never seen this type of giant center playing as slasher guard, 3pt shooter, Hakeem Olajuwon in the paint and blocker in one.

All this said, take Wemby out of the equation, Spurs suck completely in defence.
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Don't care much for negroball or basketball in general, but always wondered how somebody as chubby as Donutchich can be such a prolific player, especially in sports, where nimbleness and agility seem to be such a key asset along other skills. He's basically a murican hamboiger meme, while still being young. Could he fare the same in the 90s, where likes of Denis Rodman would just bully him off the pitch by simple hand check, while MJ looked like 5% body fat uber athlete, who could jump higher without preparation than most track and field jumpers now days?
Seems that the game is rigged for great shooters with little to no athleticism now days so they can harvest fouls and be protected like little babies all the time. No wonder Chich is always crying to referees, when something doesn't get called his way, especially in international tournaments.
 

TheStig

Member
I don't think Wemby have surpassed Luka's achievements. Luka is one of the greatest shooters in the history of basketball.

Wemby is more versatile in comparison, though. If he manages to stay healthy given his fragile 7'5 (nobody knows exactly) frame, could become one of the greatest to have ever played the game. This season so far Wemby's been purely phenomenal. NBA have never seen this type of giant center playing as slasher guard, 3pt shooter, Hakeem Olajuwon in the paint and blocker in one.

All this said, take Wemby out of the equation, Spurs suck completely in defence.
But still Luka has a bettter start of the season than him right now and the past seasons are not even comparable since Luka was miles ahead. We'll see what the future bring but for now it's clear who is far ahead.

I like Wemby, he's really unique but it's gonna be hard staying healthy with a body and playstyle like that. Hope he does it, Europeans taking over the NBA for a while now.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Don't care much for negroball or basketball in general, but always wondered how somebody as chubby as Donutchich can be such a prolific player, especially in sports, where nimbleness and agility seem to be such a key asset along other skills. He's basically a murican hamboiger meme, while still being young. Could he fare the same in the 90s, where likes of Denis Rodman would just bully him off the pitch by simple hand check, while MJ looked like 5% body fat uber athlete, who could jump higher without preparation than most track and field jumpers now days?
Seems that the game is rigged for great shooters with little to no athleticism now days so they can harvest fouls and be protected like little babies all the time. No wonder Chich is always crying to referees, when something doesn't get called his way, especially in international tournaments.

That is true, but only because players and teams are smarter.

Teams now (in the past decade and half) realize that shooting 35% from 3 point line (that is 105 pts per 100 attempts, and 35% is the worst league average in over 2 decades), is better than shooting 45% from mid-range (90 points per attempts) and they do remove it from the equation, and it open things for everyone, it is easier to attack the basket, easier to get to the ft line as teams has more areas to cover on defense. Guys like Rodman will be confused now and won't know what to do.

Luka might not fit the typical athletic player, but he is a physical monster, one of the strongest in his size, and has amazing ability to change directions. What is more is his deceleration ability, which is his best athletic trait, he is one of the most gifted ever in it. Think of Pedri/Iniesta and la Pausa, he goes full speed and then stops so quickly, before defender is able to react, that gives him the separation he needs.

The 90's basketball won't stand a chance against current teams regardless of the rules, current teams are smarter, better shooter, more skilled and actually bigger and overall more athletic. It isn't like J Kidd and Stockton for example were athletic freaks, Barkley had twice the fat percentage of Luka and was dominant.

MJ was anomaly btw, his midrange game was historically great, while his 3pt wasn't good. This was a unique skillset, the closest to him is Kawhi but the later had shit injury and an awful uncle.
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Not so sure about "regardless of rules". People are constantly conditioned to believe that "we live in the best era ever" and "don't believe your lying eyes" about everything.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
People are also conditioned for nostalgia and the good old days.

When it comes to sport, it is almost right that we are in the best era, mainly because sport science, medications and scouting has advanced a lot.

However, entertainment is another question, and this is what gets mistaken from folks in those era comparisons.

Sports is part of the entertainment industry, better team doesn't mean more entertaining. Talking data sheets isn't more entertaining that saying the winning team wanted it more, etc.

You can say that teams are better now, but whether or not basketball is better as a product you watch, is another question.

Same in football. You could argue that Halaand and Mbappe will end up with more achievements than Neymar, and maybe they are indeed better players, but you no one will be entertained watching them as much as Ney.
 

TheStig

Member
When it comes to sport, it is almost right that we are in the best era, mainly because sport science, medications and scouting has advanced a lot.

I agree with almost all your points (you are totally right about NBA) but there are exceptions and football at the moment is one. Pep's Barca would dominate every team right now, probably even more than in their era. Probably threepeat and Mou's Madrid also, Bayern from the Robbery era...
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Football haven't had as drastic changes in ruleset apart from punishing reckless tackles more than before. B-ball is a no contact sport at this point. It's basically different sport game alltogether than before 00s.
 

TheStig

Member
Only in regular season, playoff basketball is different. There is a huge change in refereeing when playoffs start, it's gets really intense with the modern tempo and more contact.
 

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