Barca Transfers and Rumors

[khaled_a_d]

Any you think that would be good for the team? Goalkeeper position is different, it's not smart to have two players who think they should be 1st choice, MATS showed multiple times he will not sit on the bench and be quiet, he's gonna make problems.

It's also a big salary for a second goalkeeper if we keep MATS.

It has worked a lot before tbh, not long term as it works 2 seasons at most before one has to leave.

But Barca need it one year at most.
Joan make it his, and Ter Stegen either accept leaving or perma benched. Joan fails to do so, and we know he is a one season wonder, and have our safety net.

Sporting wise, having both is absolutely the best move, financially it is different though.

 

[Porque]

And what happens in January if Joan Garcia is the #1, does well and ter Stegen hands in a transfer request to move to another club when he sees his World Cup dream slipping away?

What do you do then? You cannot keep him at that point in fear of the situation becoming very toxic and you don't want a shit backup either in case you need him as that can destroy your season.

If ter Stegen want to stick around then Tek should be renewed for another year regardless.

You have to keep him. That's the consideration Stegs needs to think of now.

 

[Porque]

Yeah, I understand you. IF we could afford then I would absolutely support signing both Vanderson and Grimaldo. Surely not affordable at the moment though considering we are also trying to sign a LW that is a bigger priority.

Getting Vanderson would mean we could sell Kounde in two years when he'll be close to 29 (ofc depending on how both would do at that time) when he should still have a good market value and before he starts to decline. That's where we were mostly failing over the years keeping players around for too long without having their replacements in mind and even less already playing here for a season or two. It's a lot easier to move on from a player when you already know what you have in his successor.

We should send Fort (and probably Farre) on loan and see how they'll develop and if one of them will be ready to come back and compete for minutes in two years then great. If not then we can just look for a RB on the market but we would do that from a position of strength if we would already have a longterm RB at the club. We could set the conditions under which we would sell Kounde or if not we could just keep him around. Ofc I'm writting all this assuming his contract will be renewed as was reported few months ago (though no recent news about that AFAIK).

And signing Grimaldo for 2-3 years would also be a solid move. In the meantime we can see how Jofre Torrents will develop. He could be send on loan to a solid Segunda A team. I think he's ready for that level but if the club believes he wouldn't get enough playing time then can keep him in BA for another season. And then in let's say 2027 we could evaluate again if 1. Balde will stay relatively injury free and develop enough to stay a longterm starter and 2. if Torrents could be counted on as at least a squad player. If not we could again go on the market looking for either a starter or a backup.

At least that's sort of the mid-to-longterm succession plan any serious club should have. Ofc plans don't always work as not every signing will be successful but it's how we should work when we will finally be able to operate without financial constraints whenever that will be.

Not just squad depth but having a healthy competition for spots is a must if you want to stay successful longterm. And if we start to win a lot again then also have to do something to shake things up a bit every now and then. Even if it's seen as unpopular move. Like Pep did with Eto'o though he obviously made a mistake replacing him with Ibra who was an even bigger ego and worse fit for the team. But sometimes you have to send message to the team that nobody is untouchable before they become too comfortable and bigger than the club in their heads. Florentino did that throwing some of the (at the moment still performing) players who then declined in other clubs in a year or two. SAF was also relentless with his stars and knew when to kick someone out. And in opposite we know how Bartomeu treated our beloved aging amigos.

If Araujo goes then for Flickball even Kounde might be a better CB for us.

To be honest, Jules, Ansu and Stegs salaries alone being removed would give us huge margins.

 

[TheStig]

And what happens in January if Joan Garcia is the #1, does well and ter Stegen hands in a transfer request to move to another club when he sees his World Cup dream slipping away?

You open the champagne.

I get your point, we would be without second choice gk if we let him leave. Fuck him and his WC if that would happen, the time to decide is this summer, not winter.

It has worked a lot before tbh, not long term as it works 2 seasons at most before one has to leave.

But Barca need it one year at most.
Joan make it his, and Ter Stegen either accept leaving or perma benched. Joan fails to do so, and we know he is a one season wonder, and have our safety net.

Sporting wise, having both is absolutely the best move, financially it is different though.

Not only financially but it's also about atmosphere in the locker room. You can't compare current MATS with Bravo who was not a big name, not a captain and didn't have a history of causing problems when he doesn't play. It makes much more sense to go into the new season with Garcia and Tek in every way, financially, sportingly, for morale...

 

[DonAK]

You have to keep him. That's the consideration Stegs needs to think of now.

In that scenario I don't think there's a way Barca can keep ter Stegen as the backup without it being a shitstorm in the media that we don't need in the middle of the season.

I guess they can talk with him and tell him that he's free to compete for the #1 spot, but that it's Flick's decision and once that is made he need to stay the entire season and be professional regardless of whether he's the #1 or #2.

Not sure it will go down well though.

 

[khaled_a_d]

And what happens in January if Joan Garcia is the #1, does well and ter Stegen hands in a transfer request to move to another club when he sees his World Cup dream slipping away?

This is a Barca fan assumption that really has no evidence tbh.

Ter Stegen walked into the starting lineup for Germany after a crippling injury. He basically has no competition in the NT. He plays or stay on the bench, he is still Germany no1

 

[DonAK]

This is a Barca fan assumption that really has no evidence tbh.

Ter Stegen walked into the starting lineup for Germany after a crippling injury. He basically has no competition in the NT. He plays or stay on the bench, he is still Germany no1

Maybe that's the case, but if Nubel keep doing as well as he supposedly did last season then there will be pressure on Nagelsmann to go with the GK that's actually playing and not a rusty guy that's generally been underwhelming for them.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Not only financially but it's also about atmosphere in the locker room. You can't compare current MATS with Bravo who was not a big name, not a captain and didn't have a history of causing problems when he doesn't play.

Ter Stegen made a problem only one time in his career, and that was 6 weeks or so ago when he went in podcast trip about being ready.

And he has shut up now and seems to learn the lesson. Unless ypu believe the club lies about 2016 (he literally presented an offer he got to Barca, and it was the club response to cash on Bravo and get Cillessen instead).

Cech was a big name in Chelsea, Casillas in Madrid, and it still worked.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Maybe that's the case, but if Nubel keep doing as well as he supposedly did last season then there will be pressure on Nagelsmann to go with the GK that's actually playing and not a rusty guy that's generally been underwhelming for them.

I am not a fan of MATS, but I wouldn't start Nubel over Ter Stegen even if the later is playing with 2 torn ACL, broken arms and stabbed stomach. A little exaggeration but you get the point.

The guy is the definition of overrated GK. Bayern has even moved on from the idea of him replacing Neuer and banking on a 2nd division fairly average GK rather than Nubel.

 

[serghei]

What if Neuer de-retires and gives it one last go with German NT? Wouldn't rule that out.

 

[jamrock]

No chance we spend 30m on a FB and we don't have CWC money lol.

We'll probably go into the season with fort or farre as RB back up and martin at LB.

A better chance we ship out Christensen and buy a CB, than spending 30m on a FB.

 

[TheStig]

Ter Stegen made a problem only one time in his career, and that was 6 weeks or so ago when he went in podcast trip about being ready.

And he has shut up now and seems to learn the lesson. Unless ypu believe the club lies about 2016 (he literally presented an offer he got to Barca, and it was the club response to cash on Bravo and get Cillessen instead).

Cech was a big name in Chelsea, Casillas in Madrid, and it still worked.

I don't see how "he learned his lesson", the season just ended and so did his statements. I think he'll start again with his shit if he isn't playing.

I know what happened in 2016, he showed that he isn't ready to share minutes with other keepers the same as it happened 10 years later in this season. He had a point then, ironically I wanted Bravo to leave so he could play, in hindshight I see if was a big mistake.

My point is that we can even have this, a young talented GK together with a big name veteran, just not with MATS but Tek. Tek has lesser wages, is willing to sit on the bench and is a better goalkeeper.

 

[khaled_a_d]

What if Neuer de-retires and gives it one last go with German NT? Wouldn't rule that out.

Then he loses his NT spot whether he is starting for his club or on the bench

 

[khaled_a_d]

No chance we spend 30m on a FB and we don't have CWC money lol.

We'll probably go into the season with fort or farre as RB back up and martin at LB.

A better chance we ship out Christensen and buy a CB, than spending 30m on a FB.

Vanderson rumour only make sense if we are selling Araujo and want Kounde to be ready for CB minutes.

It isn't the right approach IMHO, but this the only way it would make sense.

 

[jamrock]

Vanderson rumour only make sense if we are selling Araujo and want Kounde to be ready for CB minutes.

It isn't the right approach IMHO, but this the only way it would make sense.

Yea under those circumstances it would make sense and even though I've often said I would like to see him there and think after resetting he would be class.

He's a RB now, if we sell a CB, we should just buy a proper CB, hopefully one who is left footed, but that's not a must.