Alexander Isak

Birdy

Senior Member
Yeah bro I agree, it’s not like these signings were the main reason we won 2 LaLiga titles in 3 years and helped us win our first ever domestic treble, and and and and 2 minutes away from our first UCL final in 10 years even when both of our full backs and main striker were injured, in a very very very thin squad.

These signings were the reason we won 2 LL in 3 years?
What are you smoking brother?

The reason we won LL in 22/23 was the defense (in particular Christensen Araujo Balde) and STEGen, other than Xavi's insane luck

The reason we won LL in 24/25 was mainly Hansi Flick and no other.

Get it straight...
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Laporta has arrived 2021-2022

Transfer Expenses - OUT

Transfer Income - IN


Barcelona:


  • 2021–2022: OUT €69.50m / IN €95.36m → Balance: +€25.86m
  • 2022–2023: OUT €159.00m / IN €39.50m → Balance: -€119.50m
  • 2023–2024: OUT €33.40m / IN €120.70m → Balance: +€87.30m
  • 2024–2025: OUT €57.70m / IN €66.80m → Balance: +€9.10m



Liverpool:


  • 2021–2022: OUT €94.00m / IN €31.65m → Balance: -€62.35m
  • 2022–2023: OUT €145.00m / IN €80.10m → Balance: -€64.90m
  • 2023–2024: OUT €172.00m / IN €60.70m → Balance: -€111.30m
  • 2024–2025: OUT €42.00m / IN €47.00m → Balance: +€5.00m



Barcelona:


  • Total OUT: €319.60m
  • Total IN: €322.36m
  • Total Balance: +€2.76m


Liverpool:


  • Total OUT: €453.00m
  • Total IN: €219.45m
  • Total Balance: -€233.55m

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CLUB RESULTS:


Barcelona


SeasonLeague Position Domestic CupsUEFA Champions League
2021–222nd (La Liga)did not advance from group
2022–231st (La Liga)Supercopa windid not advance from group
2023–242nd (La Liga)1/4
2024–251st (La Liga)Copa del Rey win, Supercopa win1/2

Liverpool​


SeasonLeague Position Domestic Cups UEFA Champions League
2021–222nd (Premier League)FA Cup win, EFL Cup winfinal
2022–235th (Premier League)1/8
2023–243rd (Premier League)EFL Cup windid not participate
2024–251st (Premier League)1/8




The transfer balance for Barcelona from the 2021-2022 season through the 2024-2025 season is +2.76 million euros.

The transfer balance for Liverpool over the same period is -233.5 million euros.

That’s a difference of approximately 230 million euros.

At the same time, we have won more significant domestic trophies, while Liverpool was slightly more successful than us in the Champions League.




As for salaries, I'm not going to make comparisons. I'll explain why. For example, we know from public sources that Diaz's salary is 3 million euros. That's less than Conor Bradley's! I've always wondered how the hell they kept him on such a contract for so many years.

But!

Paul Gorst of the Liverpool Echo refutes: under a contract signed in 2022, Luis receives an average of £140,000 per week, or €8.3 million per year. This is a fairly reliable source, if you believe Liverpool fans. And these figures are closer to market realities. In short, public data when it comes to Liverpool players' salaries is not reliable.

Aye....
This is textbook propaganda

You make comparison on the transfer fees, which is the LEAST COST a club pays as it is amortized over the course of a contract

... and NOT on the wages themselves, which is the very reason we were NOT allowed to spend.

Because, make no mistake, if Laporta was allowed to spend, that fat moron would have spent as much as Bohley has spent at Chelsea in 3 years

PS: I don't even comment on the fact that you think winning a two-horse race like LL is equal to winning EPL, where the big boys play and the competition is coaches like Pep and oil clubs to compete with
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Alvarez will be the only one left, assuming Atleti continues to lose and he wants to join a winner.

But with the way Liverpool are spending money and what Atleti paid for him, they will want 100m plus.

We just have to be creative.

I still believe raphinha is a good option at 9.

Atletico signed him for 90m.

They won’t let Alvarez leave for less than 150m IMO.

And I don’t want Barca to spend that amount on any player, ever again.

Unless it’s a generational player that’s in his early 20s and a guaranteed success.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
I don’t understand what idiotic waste of money @Birdy is talking about.

Our clear failure is Víctor Roque, who was bought for 30 million euros. However, thank God, we managed to sell him for 26 million euros.

As for the salaries, yes, obviously the huge contracts of Lewandowski and Fati are Laporta’s mistakes.

I will give you a clear example why the money spent was idiotic and moronic.

We paid 55m for Lewa and gave him a contract of : 20m gross in 22/23, 27m gross in 23/24, 33 m gross in 24/25, and 20m gross in 25/26

That's 155m on club's books for 4 years, of an asset that has 0 re-sale value, and on the pitch made the difference only for 4 months. Then he had always been a liability (and even last season, despite Flick's mastery, he was the weak link of the whole team)

Now, consider if we had a proper SD department, with proper analytics and scouting, and we had spent that lever money on Alexander Isaak in 2022. Isaak went to Newcastle for 60m in 2022, and got 7.2m gross till now.
That's around 88m on club's book for the same period

Had he had a proper SD, we would have spent 66m LESS in only THIS POSITION, would have been far more competitive in 2023, 2024, 2025 with him on the pitch instead of the oldie, and would have had now an asset worth 150m that we could sell if wanted to to any top club.

That's the difference of having an SD department made up of professional with expertise versus having a clown circus running the club.
But no, the entitled prick 'I am the best coach in the world, I want the best squad possible' Xavi, coupled with Fatporta fantasies about Barca should be buying the most expensive toys out there like Haaland,
destroyed our sustainable planning

PS: And that's only 1 example. Imagine doing the same for every position
And some here have the audacity to talk about Edwards, the GOAT SD, who thinks 10 years ahead and plans 10 years ahead.

Oh well, ignorance is bliss..
 

RedxMAK

Well-known member
These signings were the reason we won 2 LL in 3 years?
What are you smoking brother?

The reason we won LL in 22/23 was the defense (in particular Christensen Araujo Balde) and STEGen, other than Xavi's insane luck

The reason we won LL in 24/25 was mainly Hansi Flick and no other.

Get it straight...
My friend Raphinha’s insane form was a big part of Barcelona winning the league in 2024-25. Also his crucial away goals in 2022-23 helped us also win the league. The defence was composed of 2 players signed that summer in Christensen and Kounde. Lewandowksi was the Pichichi in 2022-23 and should’ve been the Pichichi in 2024-25 if he weren’t injured against Celta.


My point is without those signings Barcelona probably wouldn’t have won all those trophies, if you’re trying to convince me that with such a small base of players who aren’t relatively world class, Flick would do all that? NO. Just look at the World Cup to see how would that turn out for us.
 

M3ls

Well-known member
Aye....
This is textbook propaganda

You make comparison on the transfer fees, which is the LEAST COST a club pays as it is amortized over the course of a contract

... and NOT on the wages themselves, which is the very reason we were NOT allowed to spend.

Because, make no mistake, if Laporta was allowed to spend, that fat moron would have spent as much as Bohley has spent at Chelsea in 3 years

PS: I don't even comment on the fact that you think winning a two-horse race like LL is equal to winning EPL, where the big boys play and the competition is coaches like Pep and oil clubs to compete with
We can also talk about amortization. What would change? Our players aged 26 and older are on 5-year contracts. Older players have 4-year deals. Liverpool operates similarly. So in terms of numbers — absolutely nothing changes. Liverpool doesn’t hand out 5+ year contracts like Chelsea does (Ekitike being an exception).

If you want to talk salaries — I already explained why I don’t trust the publicly available wage numbers for Liverpool players. And I clearly backed that up using Luis Díaz’s reported wages as an example.

So the fact remains: Liverpool's transfer balance - 233 mln, Barcelona - + 3 mln. — and have won fewer major trophies than we have.

As for “competition” — that’s just a buzzword. What’s next, calling La Liga a “farmer's league”? LOL.

In any case, your claim that Liverpool have barely spent anything over the years has been thoroughly debunked.
 
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M3ls

Well-known member
I will give you a clear example why the money spent was idiotic and moronic.

We paid 55m for Lewa and gave him a contract of : 20m gross in 22/23, 27m gross in 23/24, 33 m gross in 24/25, and 20m gross in 25/26

That's 155m on club's books for 4 years, of an asset that has 0 re-sale value, and on the pitch made the difference only for 4 months. Then he had always been a liability (and even last season, despite Flick's mastery, he was the weak link of the whole team)

Now, consider if we had a proper SD department, with proper analytics and scouting, and we had spent that lever money on Alexander Isaak in 2022. Isaak went to Newcastle for 60m in 2022, and got 7.2m gross till now.
That's around 88m on club's book for the same period

Had he had a proper SD, we would have spent 66m LESS in only THIS POSITION, would have been far more competitive in 2023, 2024, 2025 with him on the pitch instead of the oldie, and would have had now an asset worth 150m that we could sell if wanted to to any top club.

That's the difference of having an SD department made up of professional with expertise versus having a clown circus running the club.
But no, the entitled prick 'I am the best coach in the world, I want the best squad possible' Xavi, coupled with Fatporta fantasies about Barca should be buying the most expensive toys out there like Haaland,
destroyed our sustainable planning

PS: And that's only 1 example. Imagine doing the same for every position
And some here have the audacity to talk about Edwards, the GOAT SD, who thinks 10 years ahead and plans 10 years ahead.

Oh well, ignorance is bliss..

Let me repeat once again — I already said that Lewandowski’s high salary was a mistake by Laporta.

BUT! The club was in an absolute media mess, so Laporta wanted to bring in Lewandowski to send a message to other players on the market — "Hey guys, look, we’re still alive. Our project is still viable. Don’t be afraid to join us."

And considering how bad things looked from a sporting perspective at the time, the club had to offer Lewandowski a lot of money so he would choose us.

Would I have done the same? No. But I’m explaining the logic that Laporta was following.
 

M3ls

Well-known member
These signings were the reason we won 2 LL in 3 years?
What are you smoking brother?

The reason we won LL in 22/23 was the defense (in particular Christensen Araujo Balde) and STEGen, other than Xavi's insane luck

The reason we won LL in 24/25 was mainly Hansi Flick and no other.

Get it straight...
Yes we did!
 

Birdy

Senior Member
My friend Raphinha’s insane form was a big part of Barcelona winning the league in 2024-25. Also his crucial away goals in 2022-23 helped us also win the league. The defence was composed of 2 players signed that summer in Christensen and Kounde. Lewandowksi was the Pichichi in 2022-23 and should’ve been the Pichichi in 2024-25 if he weren’t injured against Celta.


My point is without those signings Barcelona probably wouldn’t have won all those trophies, if you’re trying to convince me that with such a small base of players who aren’t relatively world class, Flick would do all that? NO. Just look at the World Cup to see how would that turn out for us.

Flick was the reason behind Raphina's insane form
Flick was the reason behind Pedri's best ever season
Flick was the reason behind Lamine's best ever season.

You don't see it?
Stop trying to push an agenda where there is no ground
Flick turned everything into gold, he even revived 'failed' signings that looked as good as gone like Inigo
 

Birdy

Senior Member

Let me repeat once again — I already said that Lewandowski’s high salary was a mistake by Laporta.

BUT! The club was in an absolute media mess, so Laporta wanted to bring in Lewandowski to send a message to other players on the market — "Hey guys, look, we’re still alive. Our project is still viable. Don’t be afraid to join us."

And considering how bad things looked from a sporting perspective at the time, the club had to offer Lewandowski a lot of money so he would choose us.

Would I have done the same? No. But I’m explaining the logic that Laporta was following.

So you agree that Laporta was applying moronic decisions with no financial and long-term sporting logic.

thanks
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Flick was the reason behind Raphina's insane form
Flick was the reason behind Pedri's best ever season
Flick was the reason behind Lamine's best ever season.

You don't see it?
Stop trying to push an agenda where there is no ground
Flick turned everything into gold, he even revived 'failed' signings that looked as good as gone like Inigo

Who hired Hansi Flick?
 

Birdy

Senior Member
We can also talk about amortization. What would change? Our players aged 26 and older are on 5-year contracts. Older players have 4-year deals. Liverpool operates similarly. So in terms of numbers — absolutely nothing changes. Liverpool doesn’t hand out 5+ year contracts like Chelsea does (Ekitike being an exception).

If you want to talk salaries — I already explained why I don’t trust the publicly available wage numbers for Liverpool players. And I clearly backed that up using Luis Díaz’s reported wages as an example.

So the fact remains: Liverpool's transfer balance - 233 mln, Barcelona - + 3 mln. — and have won fewer major trophies than we have.

As for “competition” — that’s just a buzzword. What’s next, calling La Liga a “farmer's league”? LOL.

In any case, your claim that Liverpool have barely spent anything over the years has been thoroughly debunked.

Find any source you want.
Barcelona, even in the FFP restriction days, gives around 50m or more wages than Liverpool

ABSOLUTELY unacceptable.
And Fatporta did NOTHING To correct that. Kept giving ridiculous wages to new signings/renewals:
- Lewa
- Kounde
- Ansu
- Gundo

Above the market
He learned NOTHING from Barto.
Absolute CLOWN of a president :clown:
 

RedxMAK

Well-known member
Flick was the reason behind Raphina's insane form
Flick was the reason behind Pedri's best ever season
Flick was the reason behind Lamine's best ever season.

You don't see it?
Stop trying to push an agenda where there is no ground
Flick turned everything into gold, he even revived 'failed' signings that looked as good as gone like Inigo
My friend what I’m saying is without those signings I doubt Flick would do such a great job in the first place. When he had an alright set of players like in Germany 2022, he failed very miserably. I doubt Flick would do anything big without Lewandowski, Raphinha and Kounde.
 

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