8 - Pedri

[jormatar]

Pedri needs to be more selfish and score more goals for him to get ranked past Iniesta. And being able to score goals is quite important in this sport lol.

Maybe he isn't quite there yet but for one thing I'm sure. If you could have subbed in current Pedri for Iniesta, the team wouldn't have looked any worse back then.

 

[Titan98]

Pedri needs to be more selfish and score more goals for him to get ranked past Iniesta. And being able to score goals is quite important in this sport lol.

Maybe he isn't quite there yet but for one thing I'm sure. If you could have subbed in current Pedri for Iniesta, the team wouldn't have looked any worse back then.

What a stupid take sorry. Iniesta has 0,105 goals per game, pedri has 0,124 per game.
If he wants to get ranked above iniester he has to win WC and CL.

In football titles are important and more it is important to shine in an Title winning season.
But in terms of qualities they are different, iniester had more 1v1 quality, but he was not as good as in defending

 

[TheStig]

Yeah you used the worst player for that comparison. Iniesta did score when it mattered though...

Pedri is the best midfield player of this generation but probably won't come close to Iniesta or Xavi.

 

[jormatar]

Well excuse me then, I remember Iniesta being a lot more involved in scoring than he actually was.

So then let me ask you, what the fuck did Xavi and Iniesta do on the field that Pedri isn't already doing, other than playing with massively better teammates and prime Messi next to you? Like I said, you could absolutely switch Pedri for Iniesta or Xavi and you would see nothing change for the worse.

And no, don't come at me with "he needs UCL trophy to be even discussion with these two". If UCL trophy was some kind of measurement for greatness, Vini Jr would among the finest wingers this sport has seen and Christine Ronaldo would be better footballer than Messi. Sometimes you just gotta trust to the eye test when evaluating players.

 

[MonteCuler]

It will take a lot more consistency before we can say he is even close to either Xavi or Iniesta. Many elite, world class seasons at the top such as last one

This is the key. As for ability, no he is not too far away. These are all footballers that can do practically anything with the ball, almost flawless in possesion, with extreme game intelligence. I don't understand when people say the gap between such players is so big. They are the absolute top of football ability

How good you are is a measure of how much you can do and how much you actually did. At this very moment, Pedri didn't do much in his career. That will inevitably change, we'll see to what extent. I think when he retires he will be up there with these 2

 

[te amo barca]

If he doesn't improve his attacking output, he will end up playing deeper.

His talent is insane. I’m tired of you dunking on him while he’s injured

If Xavi gives up on the idea of playing him as a second forward and develops him as a real midfielder he’ll be brilliant

Called it

The hype will die a lot by then

WOAT knowledge from BBZ

 

[serghei]

I agree that Pedri needs to score some key goals. Iniesta was not a prolific scorer, but he has several goals and assists in key moments. A bit like Zidane. Pedri is not at this level in big games yet, but he is young still.

 

[Titan98]

I agree that Pedri needs to score some key goals. Iniesta was not a prolific scorer, but he has several goals and assists in key moments. A bit like Zidane. Pedri is not at this level in big games yet, but he is young still.

This thinking is just because iniesta scored the most important goal what a footballer can score. Every time i think of him scoring, i see the goal in wc2010.
But iniesta was more of a CAM, pedri is controlling CDM, he must not score to show he is as good as iniesta.

I think pedri prime is better than xavi prime but not iniesta prime but he is young, he can get better than both

 

[serghei]

This thinking is just because iniesta scored the most important goal what a footballer can score. Every time i think of him scoring, i see the goal in wc2010.
But iniesta was more of a CAM, pedri is controlling CDM, he must not score to show he is as good as iniesta.

I think pedri prime is better than xavi prime but not iniesta prime but he is young, he can get better than both

Had 2 goals vs Chelsea in CL semis also, assists in CL finals, he had a lot of end product in the bigger games. Wasn't just good passing while others made the decisive moves up front, he was involved and delivered the end product himself when others couldn't.

That's what Pedri has to do to get to Iniesta level.

Pedri is no controlling CDM. He's an AM that plays deeper. Just because you play in a deeper position it doesn't mean you are a full fit. He isn't. If we had Xavi next to De Jong, and Pedri pushed a bit forward, instead of Olmo, this team would kick a whole new level of football and midfield control.

 

[Saladin]

This thinking is just because iniesta scored the most important goal what a footballer can score. Every time i think of him scoring, i see the goal in wc2010.
But iniesta was more of a CAM, pedri is controlling CDM, he must not score to show he is as good as iniesta.

I think pedri prime is better than xavi prime but not iniesta prime but he is young, he can get better than both

Comparing him to Xavi in his prime is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. He is right now at the level of Guti (who was a straight baller) - could he reach Xavi's ICONIC level?

Of course. Pedri is world-class, but as of now this statement is laughable at best.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

Come on man PEDRI isnt even close to INIESTA.
Whatever PEDRI is best at, INIESTA simply did it better.
It is not even a comparison.

 

[Titan98]

I'm certainly not saying Pedri is better than Iniesta, but I think Xavi is at least on the same level. We all mustn't forget that Barca was much better from 2005 to 2015 than it is now, in almost every position. On top of that, tiki-taka was very new, and nobody had a solution. Once it was figured out, and football became increasingly more athletic, Spain and Barca quickly lost their dominance. Simply because we had such quality with Messi, Suarez, and Neymar we were still among the best in 2013.
And prime messi in 2011 was so good, it is worlds above every footballer now

 

[Porque]

We haven't seen Pedri's peak yet. But we know that Iniesta for a short period, and Xavi for a slightly longer period, were the best midfielders in the world when they reached theirs.

And I mean by that, leading club and country to World Cup, Euros and Champions League. Yes it is not all about trophy count, but that is the measure that they achieved.

Now, the more interesting discussion is where do Xavi and Iniesta fit in, in modern football. Football where today we have moved past the midfield three horizontally aligned (well, except PSG) and to a more vertically positioned midfield with double pivots in the 4231.

Would Xavi-Iniesta function as a modern day double pivot?
Would Iniesta have to be the AMC? And if he was, is he naturally productive enough being consistently positioned more advanced? A bit like Pedri.

So yeah, interesting in terms of Flicks system. Obviously (to me) in LEs system then Xavi easily ousts Vitinha as he does everything he does but better. While Iniesta goes in for Ruiz even if you lose a bit of athletism.

 

[jamrock]

We do not talk about God's & Men.

 

[Porque]

Comparing him to Xavi in his prime is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. He is right now at the level of Guti (who was a straight baller) - could he reach Xavi's ICONIC level?

Of course. Pedri is world-class, but as of now this statement is laughable at best.

Nah Guti was someone like Olmo when they are both on. Splendid footballers but luxury players that have huge systematic defenciencies.

Pedri comes up with Xavi and Iniesta, purely because Pedri is an incredibly rounded midfielder, that has traits of both without the excessive quality of either.

In a way he is what you would get if you merged Xavi and Iniesta, and got the median version of boths characterics, without the peaks of boths abilities. Iniesta's creative dribbling and acceleration, and Xavi's passing consistency, selection and assertiveness.

Pedri has both without excelling in either, a very good engine with better defensive actions than both, but without Xavi's defensive positioning.