Gazzznigga
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He did okay and defended well against Dumfries. He only lacked in attacking contributions.
He is fine for a back up.
He is fine for a back up.
35 - Gerard Martín
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If you want to know why Flick starts Martin then check out his speed stats on the UEFA website.
He is as fast as Balde, but obviously lacks his dribbling and acceleration. And we're a team which lacks pace. Only a few guys over 33kmh top speed- and Martin is one of them.
All of Gavi, Casado and Eric under 30kmh top speeds and 28kmh would make us one of the slowest sides in Europe if they played. Probably the slowest big side if you account for Olmo, Cubarsi too.
The problem comes from him not been a good player on the ball. If he was competent he could actually do alot of damage by playing simple supporting attacking football from the leftback position like Kounde.
He is as fast as Balde, but obviously lacks his dribbling and acceleration. And we're a team which lacks pace. Only a few guys over 33kmh top speed- and Martin is one of them.
All of Gavi, Casado and Eric under 30kmh top speeds and 28kmh would make us one of the slowest sides in Europe if they played. Probably the slowest big side if you account for Olmo, Cubarsi too.
The problem comes from him not been a good player on the ball. If he was competent he could actually do alot of damage by playing simple supporting attacking football from the leftback position like Kounde.
Iniesta Ultra
Senior Member
When have you seen Martin's slow accelerating top speed make a difference in a match? Skullduggery analysis and a modicum of shame and balls would prevent a coach from fielding him.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Why does every season, no matter how good a squad we have, there is a player who seems to have the coach's nude or has a mafia clause or something?
Why are we this cursed.
Why are we this cursed.
khaled_a_d
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And yes, in a team that faces counter from the center of the pitch, top speed actually matters.
This isn't on Flick.
People are just assuming because Martin is shit, Fort or someone else is better which is rarely the case.
Inigo showed yesterday we are out of valid options, Dumfries was even more comfortable against him than Martin, and the difference in the ball that Inigo was more willing to make bad crosses. Both deferred to teammates when they had it.
Bottom line, Flick is dealing with the cards he was handled, there isn't some guy out there who would suddenly improve us with Balde out.
This is what some of us have been saying all season long, the top priority is backup fullbacks, it is more essential than a new no9 or another winger.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
Have you guys read the room? Its not exactly like he is benching Marcelo or something. People here are acting like he has a superstar fullback on the bench.
It is Fort who at best is a little better than Martin but there is no significant difference between the two at this level. They are both not good enough to play and he is using Martin out of personal preference.
The priority is signing fullback cover, this situation is bad luck, I don't understand what people are complaining about here.
Christensen is pretty fast, as is Araujo. If both are fit then you have two defensive solutions right there, and you don't need to compromise the centreback partnership.
Only question is how fit Christensen is. He has been on the bench for a while but never featured until yesterday, which is a bit weird but very Flick.
Second half showed how smart Inter attack btw, after we tired. It's not that they have the extreme pace of PSG or Madrid, but their transitions and one touch play with runners from unexpected positions was both dangerous, and wonderful to watch.
Only question is how fit Christensen is. He has been on the bench for a while but never featured until yesterday, which is a bit weird but very Flick.
Second half showed how smart Inter attack btw, after we tired. It's not that they have the extreme pace of PSG or Madrid, but their transitions and one touch play with runners from unexpected positions was both dangerous, and wonderful to watch.
Ratiu will be the one, with his extreme pace and decent technique.
Thing is at Martins age he was a segunda player too
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
I sincerely believe Fort will be much, much better with half the games Martin has played.
Whenever he has played, he doesn't look half bad, at least much better than Martin. Flick could have given a bit more playing time earlier so Fort could have gelled into the playstyle.
I know we need far better backups for our fullback. And flick only has so many options.
But I also think Flicks at fault with his reliance on Martin rather than Fort. Even though he's bad, he is better than Martin.
On top, he should not have let Valle leave on loan. Would have been a better player than any of these two.
Flick has some amount of blame to bear aswell.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Why dont you understand, people are bringing this exact thing? He is still a bit better than Martin.
My contention is if Fort got a bit more playing time, similar to Martin, he would have gelled with the team better and probably would have developed better, to be a lot more reliable than Martin.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
It is one thing to rate one player over the other, it is another thing to judge coach harshly based on your this specific personal opinion.
You are entitled to think Fort is better, but Fort has around 120 minutes as LB this season, all of which was specifically chosen for it to be favourable match up for him. Martin himself looked decent enough when Flick used him in such favourable matchups.
Fort is factually slower & smaller player, he only looked decent when used with Xavi sterile style that favoured our defenders back then but killed the rest of the team.
Even in youth football, Fort looked like dog when he faced athletic French team, it shows that he is a CB who is being forced on the sides unfairly.
Valle failed at Celtics ffs, he is playing in a slow motion Italian league where he is asked to play an entirely different role than he would have with us.
It is the same reason I don't rate someone like Cardona as an option for us btw, Villarreal is using him in a very specific role.
You aren't taking same "believe" with Martin because he actually has to suffer in the current system and us put in the more difficult situations. Again, ok with that, I've been screaming against him since September, but you are blaming the wrong guy here.
vuji_31
Senior Member
Christensen is not fast LOL.
I would get rid of him, he is injured all the time for 7 seasons in a row. Tah will be upgrade, because we need height and somone who is reliable.
Martin is bad, if we had some money he would never play.
Fort seems to small for LB, and giss body type seems like he will be bullied by fast wingers.
Although Fort played some really good games like against Atletico which you can't say that for Martin
I would get rid of him, he is injured all the time for 7 seasons in a row. Tah will be upgrade, because we need height and somone who is reliable.
Martin is bad, if we had some money he would never play.
Fort seems to small for LB, and giss body type seems like he will be bullied by fast wingers.
Although Fort played some really good games like against Atletico which you can't say that for Martin
iniestaGOAT
Senior Member
Fort has looked good vs ass teams
Martin has looked ass vs ass teams too
Stop talking out your booty
Iniesta Ultra
Senior Member
We wish he had his nudes, I'd feel better about Flick playing him
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