3 - Alejandro Balde

JamDav1982

Senior Member
You understand the expression value judgment? If someone believed Balde was the worst player at some point in the team, there's zero arguments at the time to make that opinion seem wildly off. It's just someone's opinion made on personal impressions.

Look at JamDav, it's 2025 and he thinks Stegen is good.

This lad claimed Cubarsi had been found out and Faye the better player.

Thinks Araujo better than Cubarsi also.

Went on for months about how over rated Yamal was etc.

That all takes more explaining than thinking Balde was poorest player in any given game.

Troll.. and not a good one.
 

Gazzznigga

Well-known member
You understand the word value judgment? If someone believes Balde was the worst player at some point in the team, there's zero arguments at the time to make that opinion seem wildly off.
At some point?
Correct! Now, you seem to be agreeing with the view that those types of comments were more reactionary/spur of the moment rather than borne out of calm, rational and extensive logical thinking over a wide sample.

Case closed then. We are aligned.
 

serghei

Senior Member
At some point?
Correct! Now, you seem to be agreeing with the view that those types of comments were more reactionary/spur of the moment rather than borne out of calm, rational and extensive logical thinking over a wide sample.

Case closed then. We are aligned.

OK, those that said Raphinha is not a top player 2 years ago, where right, now they were wrong, and if Raphinha drops a stinker vs Inter they were right again? :lol:

It's better to not go back and take opinions at the moment they are made. Chances are there's no genius football connoisseur here and if you go back long enough you can make everyone look like a clown if you care about that.
 

Gazzznigga

Well-known member
OK, those that said Raphinha is not a top player 2 years ago, where right, now they were wrong, and if Raphinha drops a stinker vs Inter they were right again? :lol:
Bad example. . :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Every rational person knows that Raphinha is a good player having an exceptional season, it would be absurd if anyone dared to classify him a great player or a GOAT because of one season. That is an extreme. That is what I have been calling out to you. Going to the extremes with a small sample or spur of the moment is reactionary.

If Raphinha dropped stinkers to the end of the season, he still would have had the best season of his career and his name would be in the discussion for Ballon D'or for this season even if he is not in the top ranks. This is a terrible example to use, brother.

Try another one, bro.

And I agree with you too, no one is a genius. That is why subjecting our opinions to the extremes without caution sometimes make us appear conceited at the end of the day.
 
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serghei

Senior Member
Bad example. Bro, you are dancing in circles. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Everyone rational person knows that Raphinha is a good player having an exceptional season, it would be absurd if anyone dared to classify him a great player or a GOAT because of one season. That is an extreme. That is what I have been calling out to you. Going to the extremes with a small sample or spur of the moment is reactionary.

If Raphinha drops stinkers to the end of the season, he still would have had the best season of his career and his name would be in the discussion for Ballon D'or for this season even if he is not in the top ranks. This is a terrible example to use, brother.

Try another one, bro.

Of course it's reactionary. So what? :lol: That's the entire point. Getting fussed about such a trivial thing is stupid.
 

Gazzznigga

Well-known member
Of course it's reactionary. So what? :lol: That's the entire point. Getting fussed about such a trivial thing is stupid.
Fantastic! We are aligned again.

The Cambridge Web Dictionary defines 'Reactionary' as "....opposed to changes and new ideas....ultra right....ultra conservative...extremist"

Those words are reserved for the people who refuse to have a balanced view of things, narrow minded in thinking and myopic in approach.

Those are not the type of people you would want to have in leadership/decision making positions and certainly not the ones that you would want to countenance their views as anything worth the while on football matters as well.

Of course, football is a passion, a past time to while away our free time, no one gets fussed about it except a few who don't have any other hobby.
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
If we start our best XI, who is the weak link out of all the outfield players?
Probably Balde or Kounde right?

Doesn't mean they're bad players. Just that they're the ones teams are most likely to target to find a way to break us down.

Could say Mendes and Hakimi might be the same for PSG. Probably Marquinhos though.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Balde probably weakest link in our best 11 as he is limited due to his dead right leg. Also does benefit from having Pedri and Raphinha playing (hardest workers) close to him.

Spain has 2/3 better LBs nevermind World. Even in these times of vastly inferior players.
 

Horatio

You're welcome
Balde probably weakest link in our best 11 as he is limited due to his dead right leg. Also does benefit from having Pedri and Raphinha playing (hardest workers) close to him.

Spain has 2/3 better LBs nevermind World. Even in these times of vastly inferior players.
Balde has improved playing from back under pressure. Better than Kounde.

Especially clear when Martin is there.

He is important for drawing opponents creating space playing out back.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Balde probably weakest link in our best 11 as he is limited due to his dead right leg. Also does benefit from having Pedri and Raphinha playing (hardest workers) close to him.

Spain has 2/3 better LBs nevermind World. Even in these times of vastly inferior players.

Frenkie links a lot with Balde on the left also. Plays some of his best football and gets into good positions. Those two link well.
 

Gazzznigga

Well-known member
First off, it nice to see this conversation shift from the extreme ("worst player in the starting XI") to the moderate and opinionated("weakest link in the starting XI").

If the definition of weakest link is the "one teams are likely to find a way to break us down" (@DonAK )....then it is Kounde and statistic speaks(Soccerstats.com) to it, not based on any "reactionary" feelings or perceptions.

Per Socccerstats.com, of the 29 goals conceded by Barca this season so far in La liga, 34.9% came from the center, 32.8% from the right and the remaining 32.3% from the left. if I were a Coach looking at where to attack Barca most and relying on statistics only, I would target the center or the right side more based on that.

Breaking it further, the central defensive roles have been shared by 5 players this season(Inigo, Curbasi, Aaraujo, Garcia and Dominguez). There is a steep gap in quality in the last 3 of those which may be responsible for that high proportion. Kounde has played 31/31 in la liga this season(baring the few cameos by Fort), meaning Kounde was solely responsible for the stats(32.8%) of goals conceded from that side. For the left side, Balde and Martin have shared that spot with Balde starting 28/31 and Martin starting the rest or coming on as a substitute. Despite the pronounced quality gap between the two players, the left side has had the least goals conceded.

So based on empiticals, where Barca is most likely to "be broken down" is through the central defence and can scientifically be regarded as the weakest area but given that many players have been used in that position and it is played by multiple players, it is difficult to indvidualise the goals. Kounde, being the right full back can
ans having played all the matches can then be ascribed with the next high goal concession rate per individual. He is the weakest link. The dribbled past and goals conceded per match between those two also supports this factually(Footystats.com)

It is very obvious that the weakest link being bandied about here is a matter of perception not backed by any statistic. It is clear those are personal opinions. Statistics state that Kounde is the weakest link in Barca.

Regardless, what it appears all have agreed on here is that labelling Balde the "worst player in the starting XI" at any time this season was an extreme. I can bet if you asked Dieter-Flick, he would pick Balde as one of his most important pawns based on the ROLES he plays in the team (last 2 matches made it more evident too)
 
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Gazzznigga

Well-known member
Balde probably weakest link in our best 11 as he is limited due to his dead right leg. Also does benefit from having Pedri and Raphinha playing (hardest workers) close to him.

Spain has 2/3 better LBs nevermind World. Even in these times of vastly inferior players.
Please proceed to name the 2/3 full backs for spain that are better than Balde. Do consider as well, while naming these 3, that the starting LB for Spain is one certain Cucurella that has become a meme for many Chelsea fans.
 

serghei

Senior Member
What are you talking about, JamDav probably has the least amount of bad football takes out of anyone here that comments a lot and has been around the forum for a long time. His football knowledge is notable for me. Besides, we all know his arguing temperament around here, it's embedded in Barcaforum folklore at this point.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Please proceed to name the 2/3 full backs for spain that are better than Balde. Do consider as well, while naming these 3, that the starting LB for Spain is one certain Cucurella that has become a meme for many Chelsea fans.

Don't need to consider lame suggestions. These players are often only so good as rest of the team. Cucu has been very good for Spain and deservedly ahead of Balde.


Only 5 years ago or so limited players like Balde who have a dead right leg wouldn't be considered in any consideration. He's been getting way too much praise based on nothing and some of you started to believe it.

Look at the way he moves ffs. Anytime his left avenue is closed off he doesn't know what to do.
 

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