14 - Marcus Rashford

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Your nonsense rambling can also attributed to Raphinha. Raphinha never got the numbers he did in his career until flick Era. also was on the verge of being sold just a few years ago. Some of you all already dismissed and passed verdict before he he even starts an official game. Most players will struggle under a dysfunctional system for example Messi at psg and Inter Miami, Ronaldo's second stint at united.

Raphi had already super performances with Xavi like the PSG game, under Flick he exploded in big games and he is far above Rashy atm

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Rashy >>>>> Grealish

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Sad how Grealish fell off. Too much alcohol and night life. That's why he's at Everton now.

cant blame him though, he has a good looking face + fame = party, women - it's nature

 

[scaliwa]

Do you seriously believe that under the flicks attacking system his numbers will not go up (assuming he stays injury free) are you willing to bet serious stuff on this? I dare you to and let's return to this by the end of the season

 

[TheStig]

Please explain how a slow playmaking "winger" who was kicked to the curb by Pep is more suited to Barca than Rashford who's a rapid winger who can play wide and inside and is decent 1v1?

Better technique, better passing, better dribbling... Overall a much better player except speed.

 

[Maradona37]

cant blame him though, he has a good looking face + fame = party, women - it's nature

Don't rate Grealish's looks at all, looks like a junkie in the face. We can debate it in private message though if you like, lol.

 

[Maradona37]

Better technique, better passing, better dribbling...

Yeah anyone who doesn't agree Grealish is more talented - better technique, better first touch, better dribbler, higher football IQ, better decision making - is a bit of a moron. Not trying to be harsh.

It's like Neymar vs Bale - Bale is much more explosive, faster and physical, but Neymar a much more natural footballer.

 

[TheStig]

Looks like no one read that I said I wouldn't bring either of them but since Deco only knows EPL rejects that was the better option. I'm sure he wouldn't cost us 20+ mil for one season also.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, @DonAK I wish guys like you would stop repeating the myth that rashford is able to play inside. Clearly you guys don't watch Man United as he's awful as a 9.

 

[scaliwa]

It's far too easy to blame Man United being rubbish for Rashford underperforming for most of his career (and for a lot of his career they weren't as bad as recently).

You have done that lazy thing of alleviating players of all responsibility for their own performances just by blaming the system. Way too simplistic. Ronaldo for example - you have it the other way around. A big reason for Man United's poor system WAS Ronaldo being in the team.

Like I said, I will hold out judging him, but he's really not that great. And if Barca are paying his wages it makes no sense.

I think anyone who knows anything about football and has played the game and played it well would say Grealish is a significantly more talented footballer than Rashy. Miles better first touch, dribbling (before he went to Man City), better passer, higher football IQ, and just in general much more of a traditional Barca player as @TheStig says.

But Rashford is a more G/A type player which seems to be all modern fans go by. Grealish is more talented than Raphinha too, by the way, who could yet prove to be a one season wonder.

I am willing to give Rashford a chance before judging him. But there's definitely a lot of wishful thinking in this thread because people are desperate for Barca to succeed, as well as people talking about Rashford who know little about the player (based on posts I have read about his past or style of play which were way off).

He could do well. But it could go tits up too. And is far from the guarantee that guys like Birdy think it is (as much as I like Birdy, just being honest).

I now know your just being totally silly when you totally dismissies the argument for a proven goal scorer like Ronaldo struggling there and piling everything on the player. Great managers make a team tick and firing on all cylinders maximizing the potential of players to a good level This is what Ferguson did in his peak united days, this is what Enrique did with Barcelona and PSG, this is what Flick is doing now. Great managers knows how to utilize their players. For you it's all on the player. Let Flick utilize Yamal as a center back and a goalkeeper whenever he wants all season and let's see how well he does by the end of the year and the numbers he puts up

 

[Maradona37]

I now know your just being totally silly when you totally dismissies the argument for a proven goal scorer like Ronaldo struggling there and piling everything on the player. Great managers make a team tick and firing on all cylinders maximizing the potential of players to a good level This is what Ferguson did in his peak united days, this is what Enrique did with Barcelona and PSG, this is what Flick is doing now. Great managers knows how to utilize their players. For you it's all on the player. Let Flick utilize Yamal as a center back and a goalkeeper whenever he wants all season and let's see how well he does by the end of the year and the numbers he puts up

Never said it was all on the players, I am saying it's a mixture of things. You're the one alleviating every player of any responsibility simply by blaming the system as if life is that simple and easy.

Ronaldo didn't fit at Man United partly (notice I said partly, because unlike you I understand nuance) because of his lack of pressing and involvement in link up play. He scored goals, but the team got worse, which has been a theme since he left real. Further weakening your point in regards to him with the system.

Your problem is that you don't understand a 'proven goal scorer' can make a team worse. It isn't about how many goals an individual scores - you'd rather than 5 players score 20 each than one cannibalise the stats and score 50 while another three score 10 each.

Too many people don't understand football is a team sport, not individual, and sounds like you subscribe to that theory too. All that matters is how many goals the team scores, not how many Ronaldo, Messi or any other player scores. Man City have had great success sharing the goals around pre Haaland.

Great reading comprehension pal though. Implying I think it was all Ronaldo's fault when I never said that. Don't project your black and white thinking onto me please.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, I just noticed your extremely weak final point.

Drawing an insane, nonsensical analogy where Yamal plays as a CB or GK (something that wouldn't even happen in the Twilight Zone). is extremely irrelevant to any player playing in their best position and still struggling because of the 'system' (which i doubt you could even explain or elaborate on anyway, you don't know what the system is, you just read someone online talk about the 'system' letting them down and are now parroting it as if they are autobots with zero responsibility for or control of their own performance).

Resorting to dogshit arguments like that proves you don't have an argument, ironically.

Anyway it's clear to me that you have a basic way of thinking, so won't be debating with you further.

 

[scaliwa]

I know most people on here prefer 5ft midget with a decent dribbling technique ( we already have plenty of these types of profiles in our squad). We need to assess different profiles. Football is not only played on the ground and certain matches require different profiles and different tactics to win games and that's one of the reasons we've always comes short in the champious league and that needs to change

 

[Maradona37]

I know most people on here prefer 5ft midget with a decent dribbling technique ( we already have plenty of these types of profiles in our squad). We need to assess different profiles. Football is not only played on the ground and certain matches require different profiles and different tactics to win games and that's one of the reasons we've always comes short in the champious league and that needs to change

Ahh, you are one of those anti Barca style wankers who prefers Real Madrid and Man United's hero ball, you probably hate possession too and think the ball should be put in the box at every opportunity and everyone should be 'direct',, it all makes sense now why you think players who score goals automatically make the team better and why you prefer a G/A kick and run merchant (once in a blue moon) like Rashy to a proper footballer like Jack..

First sentence before the bracket is a thinly veiled attack on small players too.

 

[scaliwa]

Never said it was all on the players, I am saying it's a mixture of things. You're the one alleviating every player of any responsibility simply by blaming the system as if life is that simple and easy.

Ronaldo didn't fit at Man United partly (notice I said partly, because unlike you I understand nuance) because of his lack of pressing and involvement in link up play. He scored goals, but the team got worse, which has been a theme since he left Juventus. Further weakening your point in regards to him with the system.

Your problem is that you don't understand a 'proven goal scorer' can make a team worse. It isn't about how many goals an individual scores - you'd rather than 5 players score 20 each than one cannibalise the stats and score 50 while another three score 10 each.

Too many people don't understand football is a team sport, not individual, and sounds like you subscribe to that theory too. All that matters is how many goals the team scores, not how many Ronaldo, Messi or any other player scores. Man City have had great success sharing the goals around pre Haaland.

Great reading comprehension pal though. Implying I think it was all Ronaldo's fault when I never said that. Don't project your black and white

Never said it was all on the players, I am saying it's a mixture of things. You're the one alleviating every player of any responsibility simply by blaming the system as if life is that simple and easy.

Ronaldo didn't fit at Man United partly (notice I said partly, because unlike you I understand nuance) because of his lack of pressing and involvement in link up play. He scored goals, but the team got worse, which has been a theme since he left Juventus. Further weakening your point in regards to him with the system.

Your problem is that you don't understand a 'proven goal scorer' can make a team worse. It isn't about how many goals an individual scores - you'd rather than 5 players score 20 each than one cannibalise the stats and score 50 while another three score 10 each.

Too many people don't understand football is a team sport, not individual, and sounds like you subscribe to that theory too. All that matters is how many goals the team scores, not how many Ronaldo, Messi or any other player scores. Man City have had great success sharing the goals around pre Haaland.

Great reading comprehension pal though. Implying I think it was all Ronaldo's fault when I never said that. Don't project your black and white thinking onto me please.

Proven goal scorers has had Madrid and Ronaldo winning a lot more champious league titles than us in the last 10 years and will likely continue if we don't change and improve. Like I've already said great manager knows how to utilize the players he has and make them tick