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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    I literally asked for an opinion, it's not trolling it is a genuine subject and has been covered by independent media (non madrid), and I literally just asked some questions, and even repeatedly stated I don't think he is a bad person/ intentional cheat, but what you thought the effect of HGH...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    That's fair enough to be honest, I had no idea how tall his brothers were (I thought he had just 1), if someone had posted this 10 posts back instead of trying to argue HGH doesn't help in athletics it would have saved a lot of time ;)
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    Harry Kane

    I think most premiership players will be pretty happy where they are assuming they are at City/United/Spurs at the moment, all 3 teams are looking strong and getting champ league football, a move between these 3 clubs does not currently make alot of sense. All the players seem content with the...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    I think a good way to settle it is to look at how tall his brothers/father are. If Messi is taller than them I would say HGH took him past where he should really be in terms of strength and size, if he is the same height I would say it's pretty fair to say he wasn't over-administered HGH.
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    it's definitely hard to determine at which point the use of HGH is simply to fix a medical issue, and when it goes past that to give an advantage. Without a clone of Messi to compare we will never really know, if that makes sense. I mentioned Bradley Wiggins as it turns out he had a long term...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    https://draxe.com/human-growth-hormone/ I watch loads of boxing, football is probably my second sport in all fairness. Combat sports are full of PEDs and I took a massive interest in them a few years back, drugs are absolutely everywhere in sports. Oscar de la hoya, Shane Mosley & Evander...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    There is no evidence, it's definitely up for debate, thus I asked for your opinion. We won't ever know exactly how much if at all it benefited him, but suggested a drug used by some of the best atheletes in american history had no beneficial effect on Messi whatsoever outside of making him...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    The dumbest argument you can use in sport these days? It's funny you mention that, as there has been alot of debate recently about TUE's, and whether or not it's fair to let athletes who use them compete. Yes Messi had a medical condition and needed treatment, but to suggest that taking HGH for...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    Asking for an opinion is not making a point.
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    Such as?
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    Sigh... I never said he shouldn't have taken it, I asked for people's opinion on it, and got a massively defensive reaction. A similar story has happened recently in the UK.... Bradley Wiggins who is a tour de france winner was found to have been given TUE's for a steroid which helps with...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    Don't be so defensive, it is a genuine question... Of course Messi has massive natural talents, and no it didn't give him his first tough or dribbling ability, but it's undeniable it may have also been very beneficial to him in the long term. Since when is asking an opinion about the use of a...
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    10 - Lionel Messi - v5

    What's your opinion on his HGH use? Without something which is essentially a performance enhancing drug, Messi would not be as good as he is today. There is a good argument it isn't fair he plays professional sport, as some of his talents are not from god or genetics but from a chemical given...
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    Neymar Jr. - v5

    I am starting to think logic and comparisons don't work here man :D Give up!
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    Neymar Jr. - v5

    Then who decides the value of goals scored in the leagues when determining who gets the golden shoe? Yes, 5th best sounds about right, after La Liga, Prem, Serie A & the Bundesliga. Edit: Yes UEFA do have something to do with the golden shoe, as I thought...
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    Neymar Jr. - v5

    Don't entirely disagree with anything you said, but it doesn't contradict what I said at all. If you look at PSG's lineup for the last few games, the players they have introduced since last season are Mbappe, Neymar & Alves, no one else has a starting spot. Lets think about this for a second...
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    Neymar Jr. - v5

    Grabbed this from a Sun article, so take it with a pinch of salt :P PSG 7-2 Real 9-2 City 7-1 Barca 7-1 Bayern 8-1 United 14-1 Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham 25-1 https://*******************/sport/football/4815537/psg-are-favourites-to-win-champions-league-odds/ -eh? guess can't post links...
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    Neymar Jr. - v5

    Yes I said incorrectly about Barca. Yes I said about Monaco twice, I have a job and am not always paying 100% attention when I am typing, I double checked la liga winners last year because I thought it was Madrid only to see Barca come up, must have put 15.16 season instead of 16/17. Sometimes...
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    Neymar Jr. - v5

    Well, PSG has considerably more investment than Monaco last season, and still lost, so again I think it's a far from guaranteed. Athletico lose their best players every 2 years but still seem to stay strong, a good system trumps individual greatness, and I think Monaco have something good going...
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    Neymar Jr. - v5

    You are absolutely correct, and it's a very reasonable thing to say. But saying Neymar has had no improvement on PSG's form in Ligue1, or won't aid them in winning the league, while saying the exact opposite for Messi, despite the league standing this year and last year contradicting that...

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