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Best 11 out of those 2 teams would be: Alisson Trent Van Dijk Vidic Robertson Carrick Henderson (c) Salah Scholes Rooney Ronaldo

Exactly. I'm not even throwing shade on Pavlovic. He's a talent. I've seen him have some poor games for Bayern, I've seen him have some really good ones. But Rice is a legitimate 100 million pound player, Pavlovic isn't close to that yet. Maybe half at best. If you want to compare 21 year old...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But everyone that actually knows the game, those that have either played or managed, rate him very highly, including his team mates. This forum is not the Mecca of footballing knowledge.

But I don't think there are too many helmets around who would say Pavlovic is a better player right now than Rice.

I laughed because he's not better as of now in any shape or form. And to suggest so is ludicrous. But I literally implied early on that Pavlovic is at the start of his career and nobody knows what his ceiling might be. I don't think he's 'that' good personally, but have no problem with anyone...

Common sense 😉 One is a player that cost 100 million and has been worth every penny. The other is a promising young player that's only just started playing regularly for his club and country instead of being a bit part player.

Now you speak for everyone apparently. You're really not that important, don't flatter yourself.

From memory they subbed off one player on 60 something minutes who had picked up a knock. Germany left the rest on the pitch for so long probably as punishment for being so wank against such a poor side. No point me arguing any more with stupid anyway.

Better player? Probably. Rashford without any shadow of a doubt would score more goals though.

I watched the game (and he was dog shit) while you were sat in your Mum's basement jerking off over your posters of Luis Enrique. Get off the crack and seek help for yourself asap, nerd.

Rashford would though. Gnabry still gets lots of game time and Rashford is on that level. He would easily be a rotation player. He would also score more goals over the season than the extremely wasteful Luis Diaz if he started on the left. I get that Pavlovic is young, but that's my point. He's...

Yeah but what criteria? It might be that I'm tired and have been awake too long today already, but I genuinely didn't get your point to be able to respond to it.

And in one of those games he was subbed off against Northern Ireland for having a rubbish match. The other game was against Luxembourg. Let's compare him to Rice when he actually has a few good seasons behind him in the Bundesliga and is one of the first names on his clubs team sheet like Rice...

I'm not getting the comparison though?

If he was a regular he would have more than 7 caps. He's 21, not 18. Get a grip!

Only in your humble opinion.

So at 21 he won his 6th and 7th cap. Brilliant. Now compare with Bellingham who at 22 has won not too far off 50 caps for his country. A country that has been doing considerably better than Germany over the last 10 years because it's far stronger.

Not really. Pavlovic isn't better than Rice and that's all there is to it. Maybe in 3 or 4 years he could be, but nobody can say for sure. Not every player improves season upon season. Then you can obviously have bad luck with injuries. I actually follow the Bundesliga more than the Premier...

You're obsessed with Rashford. What is the point you're even trying to make? Pavlovic has 7 caps for Germany. 7. He's 21. He has less than 50 appearances for Bayern, with plenty of them as a sub. To even compare him right now to a seasoned midfielder like Rice is insane. And let's not pretend...

Saying Pavlovic is better than Rice right now is laughable.