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Was watching ESPN FC the other day (not that great) I don't remember the exact question that was asked but they all pretty much agreed Liverpool winning that CL final was one of the greatest sporting moments on recent years but also one of the biggest flukes lol. I agree with that take tbh...

Do I know that Gerrad is a more talented all around player than Lampard? yea, a bild man can see that. But in my team I'm still taking Lampard, winning that consistently matters, it's not a fluke or luck to win on a consistent basis, some people just have what it takes to win others don't...

Man utd need to pay that breaad, $100m or he stays

I gotta a sneaky feeling Germany is about to German this up coming WC. Imma put some money on it, hopefully I get lucky. If Argentina can get Otamendi out of thier starting XI they also have a very good shot.

I'm just fucking with temp re Liverpool just to be clear, he keeps getting Liverpool involved in ground folks business.

5th or 6th is fair tbh, that's about where I'd have him as well, and in my opinion the 5th/6th best player in the greatest team ever keeps his place over VVD until VVD can turn his talent into wins. Again tho not comparing average players who won to great players, clearly Gerrand is better than...

Nah not changing anything said multiple times pique won while not being a water carrier or is teams winning inspite of him, he was a vital part of winning. So miss me with the X average player has won more than X great player, that one was too easy to see coming. Which is again why I made it...

If VVD wins 1 more CL, 2 more league titles I'm taking him over pique in Barca's greatest XI at least he'd then show that all is talent isn't just for show. I doubt he'll get that though.

Maradona & Ronaldo one the one thing that should be one, they reached the mountain top. Talented as they are If they don't win the WC their legacy is vastly different I don't think anyone would deny that. Because while winning is definitely not the entire story, it's the biggest part. People...

If their is one thing I like about the American sport culture is their emphasis on winning, football picks & chooses who it wants to add that requirement to. Pique has won every single thing a player has any business winning while being excellent in all of them. If someone asked me, which was...

Who is a top class different in the game right now outside of VVD that's comparable to someone like even godin at his best? VVD is no doubt great but also not much competition compared to when pique, Ramos, puyol, vidic, Ferdinan, godin, the list can keep going, VVD is great but he also stands...

I don't know how anyone can seriously make out a serial winner like pique at his best to be just another defender.

Excellent.

As Malvolio said when did Liverpool become a mark of greatness, Liverpool :lol: Not even gonna entertain that part of the conversation until they actually win two league titles. Godin a better defender that pique at is best? Come on what do I even do with that.

If we swap out pique, VVD out of each team zero difference in what they have won tbh. Ramos now we can talk that MOFO is clutch as fuck, hate him but can't deny that.

All that & is he still a specialist at finishing 2nd. 😂

Ramos definitely the man but if Ramos played with Barca we would be saying a lot of the same things we are saying now about pique, great as those Madrid teams were, which isn't very great but winners, he didn't have the class of players pique had aound him to play "second fiddle" to. I would...

Pique is the winner,should I list them? VVD is the nearly man that won a CL final against Spurs right?. But I'm not entertaining this question Liverpool doesn't belong in this conversation.

Nah not very good, great you can all he's won by just being very good unless you are abit bit of a water carrier, he was still very good up to when umtiti still had something to offer. 2nd tier legend that's fair if you wanna consider him that to be honest.

People were literally calling pique, piquenbauer at his very best, here and in a lot of places. The man was different class at his best. Not Alves, Messi, xavi, iniesta all time great class obviously, but generationally not many better