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You seem to not understand how football talent is quantified and for that reason I won't reply anymore. :mou:

For Barca or Madrid? :mou:

So we're counting trophies or not? You said you're not talking about stats, yet you bring up number of trophies. Zidane bossed prime Brazil, Modric wasn't even the best player at Madrid.

So Modric>Zidane then, just because?

You're tripping or just watch football to count stats. Zidane was class. Yes, he doesn't have the number of trophies that Modric or Kroos have, but that doesn't mean anything

Of course Pena is the starter, for now. Can't get the polak ready in two days and after all Pena hasn't committed any mistake. Since Pena is already registered for CL, we'll have to wait until Szcesny debuts in LL.

Comes back from retirement and wins us the CL. Denmark Euro '92 vibes.

I think Barca's issue is with the current crop in defense and lack of a good ball playing DM who can take the ball and move it forward or pass it from deep. We put unnecessary pressure on our GK by passing back to him and letting him get the ball forward. Stegen is definitely good with his...

That much is clear

Probably, but CL grade is hard to quantify when Barca always fall apart as a team in CL pressure games. The main point of contention for most is that he never bailed us out against the run of play or something like that. Even if probably in some of those games it wouldn't have mattered if he...

What season are those stats are from? My point isn't to discredit Szczesny or something, but he never was this outstanding GK. His career path basically confirms it.

Interesting GK, getting him from Al Nassr shouldn't be problematic. Depends mostly on what he earns there. Maybe one to keep an eye on.

Lunin is 6-7 now and Stegen a 6. :lol: Last time I've checked the 6 GK has won us a league while being best player in that league not long ago. The math doesn't work like that, but maybe that's on Xavi too?

I'm amazed about how quickly you lot are getting Stegen out the door and consider Szczesny this far better GK. Am I missing something? Granted I've never watched Juve over the past seasons since they were shite and mostly out of CL, but was he that good? I mean who the fuck is a retired...

There will always be cases like that - Courtois and Navas, Stegen and Bravo, Navas and Donnarumma etc But those were big/rich clubs that could afford to try it at least and players gave it a go as it meant either playing at elite level or getting lots of money.

Barcaforum god Thibaut Courtois dropped a clanger just last week. You never know who can have an off night.

Tbf a club has to have lots of money and/or immense pull to be able to keep happy two equally good GKs. And even then it's not a long therm option as eventually one of them will decide that there's no point in wasting his career sitting on the bench when he could start for lots of other clubs...

Bastards starting to pick up form. Clasico should be wild.

De la Fuente was GK coach before Ter Stegen came to Barca. He was kept in the staff by each and every manager we've had. What's this shite about Ter Stegen "picking" him like he pays his salary? Yes, mostly likely, after all these years together, they have a connection and prefer working...

I'd like Pinto for a Clasico. Imagine him on pens vs Vini and Mbappe :lol: