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In fact never mind. Blocked IniestaGOAT, you're too much of a clueless modern fan for me to continue to converse with and all you have is insults. You even implied that Maradona wasn't on the level of Kaka and Zidane and Henry as a dribbler. Goodbye kid.

It's still often atrocious now to be honest. The point is, that Garrincha's talent would still translate to today's game, irrespective of who he was playing against in the 1960s. Same with Best.

Negative IQ lol. Not only am I much more knowledgeable about football than you, but I am much smarter than you too. You talk like Henry is one of the best players of all time ffs. He's nowhere near that level, and many people would have Garrincha as a top 15 player of all time. Henry isn't...

According to your logic, Dominic Calvert-Lewin is better than Pele :lol: You have 0 football knowledge. If you don't believe me, ask people (not PL fanboys or Arsenal fans) if Garrincha or Thierry fucking Henry (who was not as good as you claim and a poor example of a great player from this...

The fact you think that is trolling or delusional says a lot about you - none of it good. How can a great dribbler in the 1960s not be a great dribbler in the 2020s? If he retains all of his talent and has superior technology, pitches, boots, balls. Kids today, sigh. No good arguments, just...

Just to clue you in a bit. Even though football has moved on from Best (for example's) days, he was ahead of his time. Football isn't a linear sport, like the 100 m - it's not simply that someone gets faster over time. Football is also a qualitative sport, and someone can be an amazing dribbler...

Absolutely clueless. Garrincha and Best were better DRIBBLERS than Henry. Though better players too. Henry bottled almost every big European and international game he ever played. You're a kid so it's no surprise you know fuck all about football history and think everything post 2000s is...

Madrid have won much more, but as someone who supports neither club, they have never had a team like Pep's 2009 or 2011 teams (not even the teams in the 50s). Furthermore, I have rarely been impressed by Real post 2009, despite winning a lot. They often win trophies without being the best team...

Is he really? Damn, didn't know he was only 15. Thought he was a grown man. That explains his attitude then. I'd have gone easier if I knew he was a kid. I apologise to IniestaGOAT for being abusive. But mate, please treat others with respect.

Do you think Pep leaving Barca and thus his influence on the club and Spanish football made a big difference? Or was more key the fact that Xavi - the heartbeat of tiki-taka- was ageing and starting to decline. Spain in Brazil looks an entirely different team in style and performances to Spain...

Yeah that's a reasonably fair way to put it. He clearly believes his own hype, which is one of my most disliked characteristics in a person - more so when I don't think they live up to said hype.

Anyway I lost my temper a bit earlier. That guy's condescending, disrespectful comments just caught me off guard. Apologies. Other than that it's been a good debate about dribbling, though off-topic for anyone wanting to read just about Yamal.

They can work (more so in one on ones where there's no second defender to take you out after you do it) but in general they are far less effective than body shape, feints, dropping a shoulder etc. The likes of Messi, Maradona, even Best, were the best dribblers because they made it look so...

Yeah, at my much much lower level I am (or was, I am older now) a quality dribbler and do a combo of feints and body movements. But I also do little moves and tricks here and there to try and move in the other direction (one thing I do is drag the ball behind me with the sole of my right foot...

Yes those are good reasons to support Spain in the game.

And just in case IniestaGOAT reads this... nobody here is claiming to be a football genius or near Pep or Cruyff's level of football understanding, so don't talk down to others. Most stuff is opinion and people think what they do (although shorter people being better dribblers is common sense...

Yeah Messi and Maradona have great passing, dribbling, finishing, goalscoring (in Messi's case), playmaking, vision, free-kicks, exceptional in tight spaces and can wriggle out of holes so that they open up the pitch and create numerical advantages. But without their genius level decision making...

Yeah Robinho was. I'd say Di Maria was a good dribbler and he's a decent height. You might disagree. He seemed to marry pace and explosiveness with going past people. He could turn in and out not bad. Guys like Bale, C Ronaldo and to a lesser extent Kaka are explosion dribblers who rely on...

Exactly, Saviola was a class dribbler, Eduardo Salvio etc, another thing this guy might not grasp is that a player can be a very inferior player to someone else and a much better dribbler. If he'd have phrased it 'I disagree, the GOAT dribblers are tall' I'd have responded respectfully. It's...

Fair enough, I see your point, he was often a juggler and a trickster. Either way the overall point is that I was talked down to by someone who thinks that tall people make the best dribblers lol. It's mental.